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ConsequentAtheist Member (Idle past 6268 days) Posts: 392 Joined: |
Because this is my thread I can set the conditions.
Or you will no doubt take your marbles and ... what?
I am not discussing God's existence, but the Bible's supposed inerrency. The Bible errs in asserting God(s).
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ConsequentAtheist Member (Idle past 6268 days) Posts: 392 Joined: |
Here we have the obviously impossible example of ...
I'm curious as to what value there is in insisting that supernatural events are impossible because they are supernatural ...
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ConsequentAtheist Member (Idle past 6268 days) Posts: 392 Joined: |
After all we debate with people about the fossil record and if they simply fall back to the excuse of supernatural intervention then we are done because if we concede supernatural then there is no point in any arguement anywhere on this forum.
I could play devil's advocate here, but I won't. Note, however:
quote:By the way, wasn't it wonderful of the Gods to create such a robust fossil record? It gives us a powerful message about what might have been, while ...
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ConsequentAtheist Member (Idle past 6268 days) Posts: 392 Joined: |
I will bring up a lesson or two in Hebrew vocabulary tommorow when I offer my opinion and attempt at reconciling certain verses.
I suspect that an honest review will show that the issue is not one of "reconciling certain verses", but of reconciling the current [Masoretic] text with early variants. What you see in the Masoretic is almost certainly examples of harmonization similar to that done with Deuteronomy 2:8.
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ConsequentAtheist Member (Idle past 6268 days) Posts: 392 Joined: |
The Masoretic tradition was possibly started as early as the 2nd century A.D. and, in time, a standardized text was established and faithfully copied.
Given the caveat that the term "Masoretic tradition" is vague enough to cover a good deal of textual territory, the idea of a 2nd century standardization seems a bit naive. Tov writes:
quote: The earliest extant copies of the Hebrew text (with the exception of a handful of fragments) date no earlier than c. 10th century A.D. and all extant copies are virtually identical.
To denigrate the DSS evidence as "handful of fragments" is absurd. Can you suggest any scholar in the field of textual criticism who shares that opinion? What you'll find, instead, is scholar after scholar speaking of the obvious textual pluralism of the 2nd Temple Period. Perhaps most interesting is the evidence for a Septuagint Vorlage, well attested at Qumran. The history since then has been one of attempting to resolve textual variance, a process well documented in Fixing God's Torah: The Accuracy of the Hebrew Bible Text in Jewish Law. [This message has been edited by ConsequentAtheist, 11-22-2003]
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ConsequentAtheist Member (Idle past 6268 days) Posts: 392 Joined: |
Thanks for the clarification. I did, in fact, misread your sentence about standardization, for which I apologize.
By the way, may I recommend Bible as Book: The Hebrew Bible and Judaean Desert Discoveries.
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ConsequentAtheist Member (Idle past 6268 days) Posts: 392 Joined: |
Many of the words are very similar in spelling and even some of the letters are.
Brilliant.
We are not certain but if the errors are not present in older documents it is certainly realistic that they are not present in the oldest source.
That is neither realistic nor relevant. At any stage in transmission there exists the possibility of error as well as the possibility of error correction. Furthermore, you know little or nothing about the "original" text. Read Deuteronomy 32:8 and tell us: does the urtext stand closer to the many proto-Masoretic variants, or to some vorlage of the Septuagint, or to the Samaritan Torah? How do you know?
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ConsequentAtheist Member (Idle past 6268 days) Posts: 392 Joined: |
If someone challenges me on something I will take the time and get them an answer.
Good. Does the urtext of Deuteronomy 32:9 stand closer to the many proto-Masoretic variants, or to some vorlage of the Septuagint, or to the Samaritan Torah? How do you know?
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ConsequentAtheist Member (Idle past 6268 days) Posts: 392 Joined: |
You should respond one time when insult is initiated and then ignore them. How very convenient. Tell me. Does the urtext of Deuteronomy 32:8 stand closer to the many proto-Masoretic variants, or to some vorlage of the Septuagint, or to the Samaritan Torah? How do you know?
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ConsequentAtheist Member (Idle past 6268 days) Posts: 392 Joined: |
Having asked:
... I do not know the answer nor do I know what you are even asking.
Perhaps you should know more about the textual transmission of your Bible.
Are you going to tell us?
I'll leave that to Apostle for now.
And will you do it in plain english?
Just look up the words that you don't understand. You'll be better for it.
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