Flaws in the Scriptures

Alright, Lets discuss the flood.Now I know, the flood has been beaten to death on these forums, but come on. It's the bigest white elephant in the inerantist room!So, if the Bible is litteral, and inerrant, how is the flood possible?If the flood really happend as the bible said it did, then the following impossibilities arive (out of pure logical deduction!)a) How did other cultures like the Egyptians and the Chinese pick up right where they left off before the flood? How was their ethnicity preserved? How were the dark skinned affrican ethnicities preserved?b) How did all the animals survive in the Ark? How did Leopard slugs, madascar 2 toed sloths, cain toads, all somehow migrate to the middle east, let alone survive cooked up in a big ark for months? (Lets not get into how stuff fit in the ark).c) How did the world repopulate so quickly? How did the Native americans get back to america and pick up where their culture left off? How did the Aboriginies pick up where their culture left off?I think the flood story itself disproves an inerrant bible.

Apostle, you there?[This message has been edited by Yaro, 11-17-2003]

I might point out that the link you posted in no way refutes my contradiction. Even if you would be able to rationalize the civilization aspect, you are blanketly ignoring the part concerning animals.How did the Madagascar toe toed sloth crawl from Madagascar across the Sahara, and into the middle east?How did the Cain toad get there from Australia? The Kangaroo? And after they were let off the ark, how did they crawl back?With regard to Civilizations, the Egyptian Civilization predates Noah's flood. How did it continue after it? This is not answered by the link provided.If you somehow place the Egyptians after, how can you explain the overwhelming evidence, of ancient peoples living in the americas. Evidence of peoples living here goes back to at least 10,000 years, recent discoveries suggest ages as old as 33,000 years ago:http://www.washington.edu/...emuseum/kman/ancientpeoples.htmAfter the flood, how did people get back here and start the Aztec and Mayan Empire, make up brand new theologies, and cultures, and develop an entirely diffrent race from the rest of the world?Speaking of race, how did the chinese become chinese so fast after the flood? How did the African turn black again?So many quetions you attempted to wipe away. I really would like apostolos to answer them tho, not you Mr. Fortenberry.[This message has been edited by Yaro, 11-20-2003]

Thats perfectly fine apostolos I hope we are both able to learn from each other. These to me have allways been rather burning issues. Even without sience, the story seems to defy common sense.I don't claim to be a great scientist either. Just a av avarage joe who likes to look at things realisticaly as all.

Hey Apostolos,not to be a bother, but you havent chimed in on this thread for a bit. Are you still working on a reply?Just letting you know, that I am still eager for your answer.Best regards! and Good luck!

WOW!Ragnerok10,That's fascinating, now I don't belive it, but I have never heard this before!Can you site scripture or any other evidence to support this?Also, how does your theory account for the rapid development of identifiable races. How did certain races become localized in certain regions, with diffrent cultures, and no apperant relationship to jewish tradition? How did the Chinese "forget" about Noah?Also, how did the American indians suddenly boat over to the Americas, forget all about Noah and God etc. Multiply like crazy, diversify into several racial grupes and cultures, then create empires like that of the Aztec and Maya all in the time span of a few thousand years?Furthermore, your theory fails to account for animals like the Madagascar toe toed sloth and the llama. How did these creatures make their way to the middle east, across a range of hostile environments (not to mention oceans) then, after the flood, find their way back home?[This message has been edited by Yaro, 11-25-2003]

How does this acount for the various races? I recal the Canaan being black verse to be used by the slave advocates in the 1800's. Infact, if anything, I see Noah establishing the servile relationships between his various children.Is this what you see as evidence for race?! I hope not, Id like to think higher of you, please say I'm wrong about this.Please explain how these verses serve as evidence for you?EDIT: Also, Canaan, fatherd the Cananites. Which were arabs, like the jews. Not african. How do you get that he was black?[This message has been edited by Yaro, 11-25-2003]

Good to hear it Ragnarok!If I may adress another point in your previous post: Oh yes, I agree with this whole heartedly. Just look at Budhisim and its various flavors across the east. Some places hes a god, others hes not. Some have vastly divergent mithologies. Yet you can still see thier relatedness, you can still see the common thread.Likewise, we see this amongst the Greeks and Romans, who had much crossover in thir mythology. Various North american indians can be identified according to their myths, diffrent tribes, similar myths.So, if they all came from Noah, we would expect a similar set of myths in all cultures. But we don't. Infact, we see myths puddled in diffrent cultures, along the same geography that isolates them in the first place. Each myth grupe arising in its respective area.Likewise, we find the bible myths, localized to the middle east. And guess what? All the nighboring myths in that area are similar to biblical myths!So, again, how does the bible account for this phenomena?

Hey Zealot,That was a very interesting link!I never knew some of the myths could be so similar. The Wealsh myth is almost verbatim. Still this proves little, as many of the myths are vastly divergent from the Noachian flood. Again, many myths are also repeated between culture, not because we are related, but rather because we are human. Joseph Campell offten adressed this phenomena using the idea of Jungian Architypes.An Architype is a human idea, kinda like, a symbol thats common between all humans. Myth wise, Joseph Campell likes to point out the coming of age myth. North american indians, and other tribes, often have the myth of the young man going into the wilderness, or faceing great adversity, then coming back a man. Biblicaly, he paints the story of David and Goliath in this light.Other powerfull archetypes, are things like Dragons and giants. archetypical creatures found in nearly all cultures and symbolizing similar ideas. Another powerfull architype is the idea of a savior.Looking at all the cultures in the world, you find the legend of a divine savior almost universal. The aztecs, for example, belived a white man Qutzoquatl (sp) with a beard came to them one day, brought them rain, and knowledge, gave them a calander, and left saying one day he would return for all of them. I allways entertained the notion that he was a lost Viking .So, it is expected that myths among humans, will invariably employ similar symbols. A Deluge, and the ideas it cannotes (destruction, wipeing away everything, cleansing, rebirth from it, etc.) is a universal human idea. That such a symbol would be magnified into a myth of destruction by various cultures is also unremarkable in the broader view of things.[This message has been edited by Yaro, 11-25-2003]

What does Homer have to do with this? There is no flood in those stories. Also, did you even read the flood myths you posted? Most of them are very dissimilar to Noah's flood. A story about a big flood is no big whoop. It's a common disaster everybody knows about, it's great for a morality tale.Also, what on earth would qualify a religion as failing? Budhisim is not failing, Hinduism, Islam is certainly not failing. Didn't you know that christianity is still a minority religion? It may be the largest single religion, but most people of the world subscribe to many diffrent belifes.

I don't think you ever adressed mine Apostolos.

Yes, I was talking to you.My question was on this page, in post 4.http://EvC Forum: Flaws in the Scriptures -->EvC Forum: Flaws in the ScripturesThanx.EDIT: fixed post number. Thanx admin! It is that page, post number 4.[This message has been edited by Yaro, 12-06-2003]