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Zealot
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Message 82 of 152 (68936)
11-24-2003 9:14 AM
Reply to: Message 81 by sidelined
11-24-2003 6:49 AM


Re: 3 Discrepencies
If I may...
The forum thread is regarding Biblical accuracy and inerrancy.
Your question was regarding a hypothetical situation conflicting with popular scientific (dare I say) Law.
Whilst you may point out statements contradicting one another (in the Bible - strong case ), or perhaps contradicting historical evidence 2 000 years ago (average case), I think incorporating scientific law into the supernatural is pointless discussing. Expecting God to operate under the rules and regulations of current scientific laws is futile.

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Zealot
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Message 94 of 152 (69163)
11-25-2003 7:33 AM
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11-24-2003 11:00 PM


Re: 3 Discrepencies
Excuse me but you cannot have read the posts by me very well since even if we allow for supernatural explanation it doe not explain how such an event was missed by every nation on Earth.
There are ample stories of a man called Noah who took the animals and his family in a boat all over the world. I don't think it was missed by the entire world.
So we use the supernatural as a means of evading sticky issues?And please inform me how it was determined that God operates in the supernatural? I do not believe the word is in the bible is it?
You define supernatural then, if you realy want to harp on about it.
Besides this I am addressing apostolos thank you.
He is still allowed to answer you btw. Sometimes however its difficult to spend too much time answering 5 different people at the same time.
Z

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Zealot
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Message 99 of 152 (69182)
11-25-2003 9:53 AM
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11-25-2003 9:12 AM


Re: 3 Discrepencies
There are ample stories, all right - only they're all in the same book. "Gilgamesh" isn't the same name as "Noah."
No-one mentioned Gilgamesh. Do a search on google.
Z

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Zealot
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Message 102 of 152 (69193)
11-25-2003 10:58 AM
Reply to: Message 101 by Brian
11-25-2003 10:03 AM


Re: 3 Discrepencies
You said there are ample stories of a man called Noah.......
My full reply was
"There are ample stories of a man called Noah who took the animals and his family in a
boat all over the world. I don't think it was missed by the entire world."
which was in response to
" Excuse me but you cannot have read the posts by me very well since even if we allow
for supernatural explanation it doe not explain how such an event was missed by every nation on Earth."
I see it came across that I implied the actual name "Noah" had to be used, my mistake. I meant to draw
upon the simularities between the Noah account and that of other 'myths'. That the name " Noah " is only used
in a few of these, does not surprise me considering the time span given between the events. I also did refer to
Gilgamesh tales in my list of myths.
Flood Stories from Around the World

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Zealot
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Message 105 of 152 (69209)
11-25-2003 12:49 PM
Reply to: Message 104 by Brian
11-25-2003 12:37 PM


Re: 3 Discrepencies
So Noah is only referred to in two stories, both spliced and made into one account in Genesis.
The actuall name "Noah" was used in 2 stories (other than the popular Hebrew).
The next question is, why can't the Noah myth simply be the retelling of much older flood myths from around the Near East? The Hebrew's are notorius for 'borrowing' the myths of other cultures.
Actually the other way around. You seem pretty fast to discredit the Bible, but quick to accept the authenticity of documents regarding other religious and myths as accurate. Hold on, after the spread of Christianity in Rome, would other religions not have 'borrowed' from Christianity to maintain its following ? I mean, what DOES a failing religion do maintain the sales of their idols ?
Tell me, what is the oldest existing scripts of Homer ?
Z

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Zealot
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Message 110 of 152 (69408)
11-26-2003 11:58 AM
Reply to: Message 108 by Brian
11-25-2003 2:32 PM


Re: 3 Discrepencies
I've actually lost my post twice now due to erroneous login. Im also on my way to a long holiday until next year, so .... here goes.
What were these?
Back to that site. Ctrl-F Search 'Noah', keep pressing Find next with your mouse. " I believe were a russian story and an Eskimo story.
How can an author borrow a text that hasn't been written yet. The Hebrew bible's flood narratives are not the oldest flood narratives. The bible flood myths cannot be copied by people who wrote long before anything in the bible was dreamed up.
1. Text need not be written yet, Oral tradition of Jews remember, text could have been based on these.
2. Author needn't write about it, someone copying author's work however could edit original work.
Find out the oldest written text documenting Gilgamesh's Epic and while you're at it, all those other Myths of Homer.
I am not saying that any of them are accurate, they are all myths, they are written for a specific purpose and not to be taken as literal. A retelling of something older doesn't mean that I believe any of them.
Was referring to textual accuracy. The same accuracy all the books of the Bible are subjected to. Are they the original copies, have they been edited ?
Hold on, after the spread of Christianity in Rome, would other religions not have 'borrowed' from Christianity to maintain its following
None to my knowledge, care to expand a little?
You're a religion in 1st century Rome that is losing membership to the rising faith, Christianity that does not condone the purchase of idols. Your congragation in deminishing and idol sales are dwindling because of this religion. How do you regain your following ? You change your myths and beliefs to those that mimic a successfull one.
January 1987 I believe:
What is the oldest existing copy of the Illiad ?
Anywya, have a great holiday and a great Christmass and yeah, a great New Years. This goes to you all.
Chat again in the new year.
Z
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