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NosyNed
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Message 61 of 152 (68350)
11-21-2003 2:36 PM
Reply to: Message 60 by Amlodhi
11-21-2003 1:05 PM


Thank you for both the congrats and the post.
I'm not really into scriptural studies.
However looking at your posts on the "horsemen" numbers I might even be able to guess how the mistake may have been made in copying at some time. That is from 700 to 7,000 between IISam 8:4 and IChr18:4
Can you tell me where the Hebrew comes from here? When was the oldest copy of this written?
I don't see how there can be any argument with this presuming your translations of the Hebrew are correct. Is the conclusion that somewhere, somehow, someone made a little mistake?

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NosyNed
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Message 68 of 152 (68859)
11-23-2003 9:08 PM


This is for Messenjah regarding this site:
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Messenjahs Site writes:
How many horsemen? Was it 700, or 1,700, or 7,000? I cannot say. However, the discrepancy is minor and easily attributed to the copying process, not the inspired text. When a 'contradiction' deals with numbers, and is clearly the error of a scribe, the overall integrity of the inspired text surely remains intact. The very nature of the discrepancy renders it useless as a means to discount the Bible.
So the site you pointed to says there was a copying error.
Then the other site goes on and on listing various excuses. What I glean from it is that the bible doesn't have a copying error. No, it was written in a very misleading fashion in the first place. The text forgets to distinguish between horsemen and companies of horsemen.
Then finally it gets down to a mystery of God. We don't know why it looks like an error but it can't be and we don't understand why it looks like it is. LOL
So how many other less obvious mysteries of God are there? At least these places had some internal cross reference so we could get a hint that we didn't have the right answer. As you first site stays, "I cannot say." So you can not say what parts of the Bible are right and which are not. For any number of reasons including God's own unknowable ones we may be misunderstanding what is written. And we cannot say where we are and are not.
Wait! Yes we can! We go out and check for evidence ourselves. Is the earth flat? Does the sun circle it? Is the earth 6,000 years old? Were man and all liveing things created in the same week?
We can't check the number of horsemen but we can check some things. The above are other places where, for reasons known only to God, we have misread what the Bible is really trying to say. Fortunately we can now correct those places.

  
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Message 70 of 152 (68878)
11-23-2003 10:44 PM
Reply to: Message 69 by Apostle
11-23-2003 10:39 PM


Re: 3 Discrepencies
It may be that as you are reading this, you see potential solutions to problems, but not a potential solution to the original inerrency claim. If this is the case, please say so, and I will in turn differentiate between the inerrency of the original Scriptures, and of the uninspired translations.
I think that is the whole point of this thread. We do not have any of the original Scriptures. All we have are copies and translations.
Since errors can be, as you have pointed out, introduced by this process we can no longer be sure of what was originally said, what has been changed, what has been left out and, I guess, what might have been added.

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NosyNed
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Message 78 of 152 (68897)
11-24-2003 12:36 AM
Reply to: Message 76 by Apostle
11-23-2003 11:34 PM


Re: 3 Discrepencies
Actually Asgara I have a pretty good idea what were copying errors and what were not.
Oh!? How do you tell? You just guess? Make it up to come out as you would like? Or maybe you have some external reference to check against?

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