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Dr Adequate
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Message 161 of 508 (772686)
11-17-2015 5:00 PM
Reply to: Message 160 by dronestar
11-17-2015 4:53 PM


Re: The Question
You know very well when Hitler starts his tirades, there's no squeezing in words edgewise.
I just thought of a great way of shutting him up. We could kill him.

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Dr Adequate
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Message 164 of 508 (772689)
11-17-2015 5:18 PM
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11-17-2015 5:06 PM


Re: The Question
I wouldn't be averse to executing war criminals.
Splendid. There's a whole lot of them right now going about Syria and Iraq committing war crimes. Should we wait until they feel a fit of remorse and turn themselves in to an international war crimes tribunal, or ...
Hey, I just had this great idea.

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Message 166 of 508 (772699)
11-17-2015 7:03 PM


It's good to see that some American values haven't changed.

  
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Message 169 of 508 (772714)
11-18-2015 8:20 AM
Reply to: Message 167 by Dogmafood
11-17-2015 11:39 PM


Re: A Few Details
My point is simply that I don't know why we should be able to do things as a collective that we find to be immoral at the level of the individual.
The notion that we shouldn't would have some strange consequences. For example, you'll have seen the classic bit of libertarian nonsense explaining how taxation is theft, on the basis that it would be if an individual did it. To take another example, if I were to decide you'd done something bad and needed to be punished, so I locked you up, that would be kidnapping. But when a society does it, it's called "justice" ...
Something to think about.

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Dr Adequate
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Message 189 of 508 (772757)
11-18-2015 1:46 PM
Reply to: Message 178 by ringo
11-18-2015 11:09 AM


Re: A Few Details
Good for you. What changed?
The enemy, and the reason.
I knew for a fact that Saddam's Iraq didn't have any Secret Weapons Of Mass Destruction, and that it was a stupid pretext for a war that we shouldn't fight, and that this would destabilize the Middle East, and that this was a war crime because it was a mere excuse for a war.
I also know for a fact that if we let ISIS get away with their shit then we're like the people who appeased the Nazis, or like how we let Pol Pot get away with killing 25% of Cambodians.

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Dr Adequate
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Message 190 of 508 (772758)
11-18-2015 1:52 PM
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11-18-2015 9:26 AM


Re: The Question
I only ask we not be hypocrites about it.
I'm not. Hooray! Job done. That was all you asked, according to you.

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Dr Adequate
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Message 192 of 508 (772761)
11-18-2015 1:56 PM
Reply to: Message 173 by ringo
11-18-2015 10:47 AM


Re: Helping The Brethren
I'm glad you have such complete inside information on what "they want".
I obtained this information by reading their public statements about what they want. It's not "inside information". It's what they say in their public statements.

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Dr Adequate
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Message 194 of 508 (772763)
11-18-2015 2:16 PM
Reply to: Message 183 by ringo
11-18-2015 11:56 AM


Re: A Few Details
We have created a monster and he is us.
We don't behead people for being gay or for being Christian or for being the wrong kind of Muslim. Rape and slavery are not part of our ideology. We are not the monster.
We can either win at all costs or we can honourably lose.
Even more if this is our fault, we cannot honorably lose. HONOR is not where we say: we fucked it up, so we must not lift a finger to put it right.

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Dr Adequate
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Message 195 of 508 (772764)
11-18-2015 2:21 PM
Reply to: Message 193 by dronestar
11-18-2015 2:14 PM


Re: The Question
It WAS a terriific battle. We'll both carry emotional scars far into the future. But thank god, it is now over.
And now that my life's primary goal is finished, I can start working on something I think is even more important, . . . a television sitcom about a sassy robot.
This may have been a smart sassy reply. Nonetheless, I have no idea why you wrote that. Maybe you were trying to make a joke and it misfired.
Edited by Dr Adequate, : No reason given.

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Dr Adequate
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Message 198 of 508 (772771)
11-18-2015 2:44 PM
Reply to: Message 196 by dronestar
11-18-2015 2:25 PM


Re: A Few Details
Errrm, you do know that the UK and the US enthusiastically support Saudi Arabia.
Then there is a good argument that they should stop. How does that make my clearly stated beliefs hypocritical?

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Dr Adequate
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Message 201 of 508 (772778)
11-18-2015 3:24 PM
Reply to: Message 200 by Straggler
11-18-2015 3:14 PM


Re: Once upon a time . . .
What Straggler said.

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Dr Adequate
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Message 202 of 508 (772779)
11-18-2015 3:29 PM
Reply to: Message 199 by dronestar
11-18-2015 3:07 PM


Re: A Few Details
Yes, yes we are the monster.
Well, speak for yourself. Personally, I am against, what should I call it ... monstrositism?

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Dr Adequate
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Message 207 of 508 (772785)
11-18-2015 4:06 PM
Reply to: Message 199 by dronestar
11-18-2015 3:07 PM


Re: A Few Details
Yes, yes we are the monster.
Speak for yourself. I am not.
I've talked about my own situation before on this thread, I don't like doing so, but apparently I have to do so to make the point whether I'm talking to conservatives or liberals. Today a woman fleeing domestic abuse is going to look at my house and see if she's OK taking refuge in our spare room. Goddammit, I am not "the monster".
Dronestar, if you are actually "the monster", then stop being a fucking monster. Otherwise, shut the fuck up about chastising us about how "we" are "the monster'.

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Dr Adequate
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Posts: 16113
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Message 216 of 508 (772803)
11-18-2015 10:47 PM
Reply to: Message 208 by dronestar
11-18-2015 4:28 PM


Re: A Few Details
Dr Adequate, I don't think you ever got so mad on the forum. It is telling. I suspect you are so angry because of cognitive dissonance.
And your amateur attempt at psychoanalysis is wrong. 'Cos it turns out that I can read my mind, that you can't read my mind, and that you can barely read my posts.
Is there anything else you'd like to be wrong about?

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Dr Adequate
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Message 217 of 508 (772804)
11-18-2015 11:09 PM
Reply to: Message 213 by Dogmafood
11-18-2015 8:41 PM


Re: A Few Details
Omnivorous said it well somewhere, 'I care more about sparing the innocent than hammering the guilty'.
But if we do nothing, we are not sparing the innocent.

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