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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1473 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
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jar Member (Idle past 423 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Faith, learn to read what you quote. Note the weasel wording and innuendo instead of stating facts.
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Percy Member Posts: 22503 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 4.9 |
Faith writes: This story might belong better on a thread about the election... You mean like The 2016 United States Presidential Election?
The relevance is that the Left has been pushing hard on the fake news... Fake polls, fake news would also have been a good thread for your post, but Adminnemooseus dropped it into summation mode for being hopelessly off-topic, suggesting that another thread for the topic be opened for discussing fake news. --Percy
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1473 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
And here I thought if I got it from Yahoo news rather than a conservative site it would be more acceptable. Now it's clear that if I'm the one posting it, nothing will be acceptable.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1473 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
I forgot about the earlier election thread and I knew about the fake news thread being closed, but I didn't want to start a new thread. I didn't think there would be that much to debate.
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jar Member (Idle past 423 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Faith writes: And here I thought if I got it from Yahoo news rather than a conservative site it would be more acceptable. Now it's clear that if I'm the one posting it, nothing will be acceptable. It's not the source Faith but rather the content. What you posted is a classic example of innuendo, weasel wording, attempts to misdirect attention while the pea is palmed, goal post moving, all of the classic conman tactics. If you like we can step through the quote line by line.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1473 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
No I don't want to go through it with you, but I would like to know what you are concluding: the story is made up, totally, partially, what?
Interesting that The Hill turns out to be "Left-Center" on this ranking: https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/the-hill/ ...which would lead me to expect it to be skewed in the direction of implying the usual allegations about Trump's supposedly having unacceptable Russian connections. Instead the whole point seems to be that he didn't. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
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jar Member (Idle past 423 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Faith writes: No I don't want to go through it with you, but I would like to know what you are concluding: the story is made up, totally, partially, what? My conclusion is that it is classic damage control propaganda. It is of no value since it really says nothing.
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xongsmith Member Posts: 2587 From: massachusetts US Joined: Member Rating: 6.4 |
Faith deluded spouts:
Interesting that The Hill turns out to be "Left-Center"... According to RAZD's chart in Message 443 they are Right-Center.- xongsmith, 5.7d
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nwr Member Posts: 6412 From: Geneva, Illinois Joined: Member Rating: 4.5
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According to this Russian representative there were meetings between the Russian ambassador and both Trump's and Clinton's people, and none of it had anything to do with the election.
This isn't particularly relevant. Everyone understands that there are legitimate reasons to talk to the Russians. If Trump had legitimate reasons, he could have said so, and indicated the reasons. Instead, he lied. He denied meeting them. The problem is this pattern of lying that looks like a cover up, and looks as if he has something hide. And the pattern of lying has continued.Fundamentalism - the anti-American, anti-Christian branch of American Christianity
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1473 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Well, follow my link: Fact Checker says Left-center.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1473 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
There is no lie where the question was understood to be about the campaign. That was the same thing Sessions was accused of. He answered truthfully according to the question as he understood it.
Liberals know all this, know that it's common to meet with Russians and others, for them and Republicans both. This is just the Left on its witch hunt as usual, trying to drum up something against Trump even if they have to make it out of thin air. They can make it look like a cover up to people who don't know anything about this stuff, when it's nothing of the sort. Edited by Faith, : No reason given. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
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Rrhain Member Posts: 6351 From: San Diego, CA, USA Joined: |
Faith writes:
quote: That's a lie, Faith, and you know it because I posted the video of the interaction between Franken and Sessions here in Message 523. Here it is again:
Here is the exact exchange between Franken and Sessions: Franken: "CNN just published a story alleging that the intelligence community provided documents to the president-elect last week that included information that quote, ‘Russian operatives claimed to have compromising personal and financial information about Mr. Trump.’ These documents also allegedly say quote, ‘There was a continuing exchange of information during the campaign between Trump's surrogates and intermediaries for the Russian government.’ "Now, again, I'm telling you this as it's coming out, so you know. But if it's true, it's obviously extremely serious and if there is any evidence that anyone affiliated with the Trump campaign communicated with the Russian government in the course of this campaign, what will you do?" Sessions: "Senator Franken, I'm not aware of any of those activities. I have been called a surrogate at a time or two in that campaign and I didn't have did not have communications with the Russians, and I'm unable to comment on it." Here's video of it:
The hearing where Sessions denies contact with Russia You will note that Franken wasn't asking about "casual contacts" but whether or not there was any contact of any kind. To which Sessions flat out denied having any communication with the Russians. That was a lie. He now admits to having talked to them twice. And those only because we found evidence of them. He now claims that he doesn't remember what he talked about. Again, as Franken pointed out, if he doesn't remember what he talked about, then he certainly doesn't remember what he DIDN'T talk about. Take a good look at what Franken asks, Frank. Notice how he isn't asking if Sessions had any contact with Russian agents. He's asking what Sessions would do if he discovered that members of the Trump campaign had contact with the Russians. Sessions then volunteers on his own that he never had any contact with the Russians. So how on earth can you claim that he "answered truthfully according to the question as he understood it"? He wasn't asked if he had contact with the Russians. He was asked what he would do if he found out someone else had contact with the Russians. So when we find out that he did have contact with the Russians at least two times (and once during the Republican National Convention around the time that the Republican platform was being altered to remove their statements about the Ukraine and thus become more friendly to Russia...and remember that Sessions was Trump's foreign policy advisor), to claim that he "answered the question" is simply false. He was never asked if he had contact with the Russians. He volunteered that information on his own.
quote: Yep. Which is why it's so odd for someone who has legitimate reasons to talk to Russians to claim that he's never talked to them. If you know you've talked to the Russians and you know that your contact with them was in your capacity as a Senator, why lie about it? That's why Trump's attempt to tar Schumer fell so flat: The pictures were of a public meeting between Schumer and Putin regarding the selling of a gas station that was owned by a Russian company...which Schumer did not deny. They were in physical proximity, but there was no conversation between them and any words they did share were recorded by the press. And Schumer didn't lie about it. He didn't say that he never met Putin. And he certainly didn't make that claim when asked an unrelated question. This is just you on your foolishness as usual, trying to dumb up everything, even if you have to lie. You try to make it look like nothing happened to people who don't know anything about this stuff, when it's nothing of the sort.Rrhain Thank you for your submission to Science. Your paper was reviewed by a jury of seventh graders so that they could look for balance and to allow them to make up their own minds. We are sorry to say that they found your paper "bogus," specifically describing the section on the laboratory work "boring." We regret that we will be unable to publish your work at this time. Minds are like parachutes. Just because you've lost yours doesn't mean you can use mine.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1473 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Put it in a brief sentence or stick to one link with a brief sentence of commentary. Not only do I find most of what you say stupid and irrelevant, you write too much.
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9201 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.2
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Not only do I find most of what you say stupid and irrelevant, you write too much. Maybe it is time for you to take a break. I know you get a lot more leeway from the Admins than anyone else, but you have devolved to nothing more than personal attacks. I send my 7 year old off to school everyday with the telling him to think before he does things. To not get in trouble for something he does that if he just took a moment to think he wouldn't do. I implore you to do the same thing. I have said I would no longer feed the troll. I just have one thing to say Stop acting like child and think before you post. If your post has a personal attack do not post it. Do not respond unless you have something substantive to say. The level of the discourse has dropped to the lowest denominator. Faith, you, are responsible for that. Edited by Theodoric, : No reason given.Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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Rrhain Member Posts: 6351 From: San Diego, CA, USA Joined: |
Faith responds to me:
quote: Read: You're absolutely right, but I can't think of any way to deny it, so I'll just ignore it all and claim that it's "stupid and irrelevant." Franken didn't ask Sessions if he met with the Russians. Sessions volunteered that information on his own. And it turns out that it was a lie. Thus, any claim that Sessions "honestly answered the question" is a lie. Follow the link, Faith, and watch it for yourself. It's been presented to you twice. Why do you refuse?Rrhain Thank you for your submission to Science. Your paper was reviewed by a jury of seventh graders so that they could look for balance and to allow them to make up their own minds. We are sorry to say that they found your paper "bogus," specifically describing the section on the laboratory work "boring." We regret that we will be unable to publish your work at this time. Minds are like parachutes. Just because you've lost yours doesn't mean you can use mine.
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