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Davidjay  Suspended Member (Idle past 2357 days) Posts: 1026 From: B.C Canada Joined: |
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1433 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined:
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I suggest everyone takes my approach. Show him some evidence for positive selection, linking to the research, and ask him to give a technical explanation of what's wrong with it: Let me start with the iconic Peppered Moths then:
quote: There is more at Peppered Moths and Natural Selection, but this demonstrates that ICR recognizes and accepts natural selection occurring in this case. So can Davidjay show where the ICR was wrong and why? Enjoyby our ability to understand Rebel☮American☆Zen☯Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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Taq Member Posts: 10084 Joined: Member Rating: 5.1
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Another example very similar to the peppered moth is melanism (i.e. coat color) in rock pocket mice:
Researchers were able to trace the black coat color to specific mutations: "We conducted association studies by using markers in candidate pigmentation genes and discovered four mutations in the melanocortin-1-receptor gene, Mc1r, that seem to be responsible for adaptive melanism in one population of lava-dwelling pocket mice."Just a moment... In areas with black lava rocks you find the black pocket mouse. In areas with light brown dirt you find light brown mice. There is free interbreeding between the light brown and black mice, yet you still see this non-random distribution of coat color. Biologists explain this non-random distribution of coat color as a result of camouflage that protects against predation. This is natural selection. No deities involved, just the consequence of some mice carrying a gene that makes them less noticeable or more noticeable to predators. When they stand out in the environment they are eaten more often so their genes aren't passed on at the same rate. If Davidjay has another explanation for this non-random distribution of coat color in rock pocket mice, now would be the time to hear it.
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Tanypteryx Member Posts: 4451 From: Oregon, USA Joined: Member Rating: 5.0 |
But there it is, and we will repeat this GIVEN and principle from basic genetics, that totally destroys evolutionary theory. You silly little troll. You have absolutely no idea what evolutionary theory is, let alone what would destroy it. The theory of evolution is not going to be destroyed by your lies.
The God of Selection does not select beneficial mutations..... There is no such thing as the god of selection. I realize that religion has addled your brain, but natural selection is just environmental factors sorting which phenotypic variations in a population leave more offspring and which do not.
no learned behaviour passes on to the next generation. We have already been over this. You really are a broken record, aren't you?
No behaviour changes because of magical mutations. Pay attention, we have told you numerous time that there is no such thing as magic, therefore there are no "magic" mutations.
Mystery solved, even though its straight forward genetics from Level 1 University studies. No, for you the mystery remains. Why don't you know even the most rudimentary basic principles of biology and evolution since you claim to have a degree in biology? Edited by Tanypteryx, : spellingWhat if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq
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bluegenes Member (Idle past 2505 days) Posts: 3119 From: U.K. Joined: |
Well, we've had Oldfield Mice, Peppered Moths, and Pocket Mice, so let's have Men.
Direct evidence for positive selection of skin, hair, and eye pigmentation in Europeans during the last 5,000 y quote: What are your technical objections* to this research, Dave, which tells you how you got your pretty white ass. And you now have made 28 posts without any sign of "logically and systematically" debunking selection. *Probably that the selection was going on right through the flood and the complete genocide of the population concerned.
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Davidjay  Suspended Member (Idle past 2357 days) Posts: 1026 From: B.C Canada Joined: |
Blue genes,
Skin, eye color and hair, still doesnt change skin into non skin, or eyes into ears, or hair into scales. The moth colour change is hardly the missing link evolutionists so want to show as proof of their evolutionary theory. Its just a different color, an adaption ability given by the Lord at Creation... You must show us some men evolving or a system changing from one type to another, show us some men. Or better yet show us some real women. But please no more rabbits in a hat. Thanks David. The Lord is the GREAT SCIENTIST as He created SCIENCE and ALL LAWS and ALL MATTER and of course ALL LIFE. God is the Great Architect, Designer and Mathematician. Evolutioon is not mathematical and says there is no DESIGN but that all things came about by sheer LUCK. .
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Admin Director Posts: 13040 From: EvC Forum Joined: Member Rating: 2.2 |
Hi Davidjay,
Begin discussing your topic or I will drop this thread into summation mode.
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Taq Member Posts: 10084 Joined: Member Rating: 5.1 |
Davidjay writes: Skin, eye color and hair, still doesnt change skin into non skin, or eyes into ears, or hair into scales. The moth colour change is hardly the missing link evolutionists so want to show as proof of their evolutionary theory. Its just a different color, an adaption ability given by the Lord at Creation... The topic is about natural selection, not missing links. We have now given you two examples of natural selection. Please address them.
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Davidjay  Suspended Member (Idle past 2357 days) Posts: 1026 From: B.C Canada Joined: |
I am winning this debate and commenting and answering evolutionists even as they get off topic.... but if this ongoing problem of evolutionists losing needs to be remedied and stopped... thats your choice and your responsibility.
But the God of Selection, and randomness remains dead, and still at random. Your the one that gave me the insight to start this topic in the first place, so do responmd and defend your position that Selection is not random. You may proceed.... or you can select a spokesperson from evolutionists to speak for you. Do you not remember that, you were the one that first starting talking about 'Selection' as if it was a God and that it was not random like mutations. If you conceed defeat on this topic, so be it. Not a problem, as Selection in all my responses shows that it is not alive and that the environment does not bring on mutations, and does not produce beneficial mutations, and does not produce life and is not a living entity such as in Mother Nature. Please read and study previous posts of mine, or if you like specify which one was off topic and not dealing with the subject matter or a question posed by a respondant (mainly evolkutionists or maybe all by evolutionists). Thanks be specific rather than vague and undirected. Thanks Edited by Davidjay, : No reason given.. The Lord is the GREAT SCIENTIST as He created SCIENCE and ALL LAWS and ALL MATTER and of course ALL LIFE. God is the Great Architect, Designer and Mathematician. Evolutioon is not mathematical and says there is no DESIGN but that all things came about by sheer LUCK. .
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Admin Director Posts: 13040 From: EvC Forum Joined: Member Rating: 2.2 |
Hi Davidjay,
I'm moderator of this thread, not a participant, but some participants have posted evidence for selection in Message 121 and Message 122. Respond to them if you don't want your thread dropped into summation mode.
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Davidjay  Suspended Member (Idle past 2357 days) Posts: 1026 From: B.C Canada Joined: |
They dont respond to my questions, but you 'force me to respond to their questions'. Interesting moderation or 'unfairness'
I have responded 31 times already, and explained by point 31 times already, nevertheless lets look at your theory that they need their evolution comments answered..... ..... I answered MESSAGE 121, in my response in MESSAGE 125, while answering 124 as well. Color is not speciation, unless you define color as a new KIND, because evolutionists are so desperate for some kind of proof or missing link. Please see and study the whole thread concerning.. evolution is racism.... color differences in humans does not mean a new KIND or superior kind has evolved. All colours of humans are the same. Evolutiuonists teach that different colors are different and are proofs of evolution and speciation. I differ, and your theory causes no end of problems and wars. Do note that all my threads are consistent and follow consistent principles. Evolutionists switch principles in mid stream to cover up turbulences in their backwash and their innumerable discreptancies...... Moth color change is an adaption, and as we found out on the thread called ... (Ill get that thread HERE for ya) the environment does not bring on mutations, or change our genome, or DNA...nothing we do changes our behaviours, all instincts and behaviours are GIVEN at Creation, or must be taught into every new generation. So let me repeat again Percy, Message 125 that answered your 121 forced response that theoretically I must answer..
Skin, eye color and hair, still doesnt change skin into non skin, or eyes into ears, or hair into scales. The moth colour change is hardly the missing link evolutionists so want to show as proof of their evolutionary theory. Its just a different color, an adaption ability given by the Lord at Creation... Edited by Davidjay, : No reason given. Edited by Davidjay, : No reason given.. The Lord is the GREAT SCIENTIST as He created SCIENCE and ALL LAWS and ALL MATTER and of course ALL LIFE. God is the Great Architect, Designer and Mathematician. Evolutioon is not mathematical and says there is no DESIGN but that all things came about by sheer LUCK. .
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Taq Member Posts: 10084 Joined: Member Rating: 5.1
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Davidjay writes: Do you not remember that, you were the one that first starting talking about 'Selection' as if it was a God and that it was not random like mutations. We just gave you two examples of natural selection that produce non-random distributions of phenotypes, no gods involved. Every time you refuse to address those examples you lose the debate.
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Taq Member Posts: 10084 Joined: Member Rating: 5.1 |
Davidjay writes: I have responded 31 times already, and explained by point 31 times already, nevertheless lets look at your theory that they need their evolution comments answered..... In which of those 31 posts do you think you logically and systematically disprove natural selection? I would be happy to respond to any of those posts as long as they contain a logical argument instead of just ridicule.
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jar Member (Idle past 422 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined:
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There is an identifiable layer found all around the world; the K/T boundary. It's a really distinct layer, easily visible, with a specific chemical composition. The reason it is pointed out as an example of selection is that there are lots of evidence of specific critters found below the boundary that have never been found above the boundary.
This is selection writ large. Big land dwelling critters that existed before the event that created the layer died. The fact that it is found world-wide and through chemical analysis can be tied to a specific type event and even to a specific event and that specific types of critters went extinct show that selection is not random.
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Davidjay  Suspended Member (Idle past 2357 days) Posts: 1026 From: B.C Canada Joined: |
Whewee the evolutionists are out in force now.......
I repeat... color is not an example of evolution making new species. Its blatantly obvious to any that have been out in the real world. Moths changing color is not evolution as evolutionists so demand and try to force down unbelievers throats and eyesockets. Colors within the genome of humans etc..... is just a recombination of skin tones.... it doesnt make a black person any less or more advanced than a white person. SEE and study Evolution is a racist doctrine THREAD Evolutionists you can not have it both ways, and change coats whenever you try and cover up your theory. Colors changes are not a proof of a new KIND evolving... other wise if you continue with such a unscientific doctrine, then admit that your evolutionary theory does in fact promote racism. Creationism **** Evolution ***** There I have totally answered question 121, 124, 122, and given whole threads as further evidence..... so readers can search out whether mere color change is evidence for evolutionary developed new KINDS...again. The Lord is the GREAT SCIENTIST as He created SCIENCE and ALL LAWS and ALL MATTER and of course ALL LIFE. God is the Great Architect, Designer and Mathematician. Evolutioon is not mathematical and says there is no DESIGN but that all things came about by sheer LUCK. .
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Taq Member Posts: 10084 Joined: Member Rating: 5.1
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Davidjay writes: I repeat... color is not an example of evolution making new species. Speciation is not the topic of this thread. Natural selection is. This is why your other topics are not promoted, because you refuse to discuss your own topics.
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