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Heathen Member (Idle past 1312 days) Posts: 1067 From: Brizzle Joined: |
How about taking guns away from Americans with insufficient/no training?
How about taking guns away from Americans with known mental health issues? How about taking guns away from Americans who have previously proved themselves to be irresponsible by letting their infant children blow someone's head off?
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1473 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
I'd mandate training, not take guns away. The other two cases, take them away.
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Porosity Member (Idle past 2123 days) Posts: 158 From: MT, USA Joined:
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There could be a good reason why gun nuts appear to be stupider.
While there is no safe level of lead exposure, US health bodies regard 5 micrograms per deciliter of blood as the level that is cause for concern. This research finds that people using shooting ranges can record blood-lead levels as high as 40 micrograms. "The kind of blood-lead levels found among shooters can lead to essential tremor, hypertension, cardiovascular-related mortality, electrocardiography abnormalities, decreased kidney function, psychiatric effects, decreased hearing, decreased cognitive function, decreased fertility, incidence of amyotrophic lateral sclerosis, adverse sperm parameters, increased spontaneous abortion, and reduced fetal growth in children." https://www.sciencedaily.com/...ses/2017/04/170405101950.htm
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Diomedes Member Posts: 996 From: Central Florida, USA Joined: |
How about taking guns away from Americans with insufficient/no training? As a gun owner, I concur. I believe training is a core component of firearm safety and usage. And not just general training on being safe with the weapon. Training pertaining to how to respond in various situations. That could help mitigate the knee-jerk reactions that result in people drawing their firearm at the slightest inclination. And by the way, that includes police as well. Too many instances of a 'shoot first ask questions later' mentality in this country.
How about taking guns away from Americans with known mental health issues? This is a no brainer. I would also go further and provide more provisions and support to families who have family members that exhibit mental health problems.
How about taking guns away from Americans who have previously proved themselves to be irresponsible by letting their infant children blow someone's head off? Also a no brainer. The NRA would fight this tooth and nail, but they are beyond reproach at this stage. A few things I would add: - No guns for anyone on the terrorist watch list.- Ban on assault weapons; guns in the hands of citizens should be defensive in nature. Assault weapons are the the very definition of an offensive weapon. - Stricter penalties for the use of a gun in the commission of a crime.
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ringo Member (Idle past 441 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Faith writes:
Is that the best YOU can do? You mentioned "circumstances". What have "circumstances" got to do with it? It's the statistic that is appalling. What "circumstances" could make the statistic less appalling?
Of course I said nothing of the sort. Is that the best you can do?
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ringo Member (Idle past 441 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Diomedes writes:
A gun is not a defensive weapon. The idea that you can defend yourself with a gun is the problem, not the solution.
guns in the hands of citizens should be defensive in nature.
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Heathen Member (Idle past 1312 days) Posts: 1067 From: Brizzle Joined: |
quote:Something the pro-gun voters seem blissfully unaware of.
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Diomedes Member Posts: 996 From: Central Florida, USA Joined: |
A gun is not a defensive weapon. The idea that you can defend yourself with a gun is the problem, not the solution. Sorry, but I disagree. A Tae Kwon Do kick can be lethal. But I wouldn't call the usage of Tae Kwon Do as being a problem in defending oneself. It is a response to an attack. If a gun is used in response to an attack, it is being used in a defensive posture. Police use their guns for defense all the time.
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NoNukes Inactive Member |
Diomedes writes: The NRA would fight this tooth and nail, but they are beyond reproach at this stage Heather writes: Something the pro-gun voters seem blissfully unaware of Uh, do you two understand what "beyond reproach" means? Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King I never considered a difference of opinion in politics, in religion, in philosophy, as cause for withdrawing from a friend. Thomas Jefferson Worrying about the "browning of America" is not racism. -- Faith Some of us are worried about just how much damage he will do in his last couple of weeks as president, to make it easier for the NY Times and Washington post to try to destroy Trump's presidency. -- marc9000
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NoNukes Inactive Member
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Police use their guns for defense all the time. As has been highlighted in a couple of court cases this week, police use their guns to respond when afraid. Such responses are not always properly called "for defense". Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King I never considered a difference of opinion in politics, in religion, in philosophy, as cause for withdrawing from a friend. Thomas Jefferson Worrying about the "browning of America" is not racism. -- Faith Some of us are worried about just how much damage he will do in his last couple of weeks as president, to make it easier for the NY Times and Washington post to try to destroy Trump's presidency. -- marc9000
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Heathen Member (Idle past 1312 days) Posts: 1067 From: Brizzle Joined: |
Beyond reproach: "such that no criticism can be made"
In the eyes of the politicians in thrall to the gun lobby, the NRA is beyond reproach.The (pro gun) voting public don't seem to see this selective blindness of the politicians.
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NoNukes Inactive Member |
Nevermind... life's too short...
Edited by NoNukes, : No reason given. Edited by NoNukes, : No reason given. Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King I never considered a difference of opinion in politics, in religion, in philosophy, as cause for withdrawing from a friend. Thomas Jefferson Worrying about the "browning of America" is not racism. -- Faith Some of us are worried about just how much damage he will do in his last couple of weeks as president, to make it easier for the NY Times and Washington post to try to destroy Trump's presidency. -- marc9000
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ringo Member (Idle past 441 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Diomedes writes:
But more often than not, guns are not used in "response" to an attack; they're used in anticipation of an attack. If the other guy shoots first, a gun won't help you.
If a gun is used in response to an attack, it is being used in a defensive posture.
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Tangle Member Posts: 9514 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 4.8
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I suspect this is just business as usual for you guys but it got a lot of media attention here of the wtf? variety. Darwin Award?
US woman shoots boyfriend in YouTube stunt - BBC NewsJe suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London. "Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved." - Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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Tanypteryx Member Posts: 4451 From: Oregon, USA Joined: Member Rating: 5.0 |
Trump voters.
What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq
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