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Nothing I've said assumes special privileges for one gender over another.Nothing I've lets any individual off the hook for his or her violent or aggressive actions.Rather the contrary, on both counts.If you read my posts and find otherwise, please quote the comment so we can discuss it. Otherwise, kindly refrain from monstrous misrepresentations of my point of view, however righteous you consider the end to be reached by such means. Then we have no argument. Sounds reasonable to me.But why do you limit your comments to men? I spoke of everyone.And why limit the discussion to rape? I spoke of all violations.I would assume the same things of a woman. Not necessarily guilty of a crime, but capable.Do you agree?__Edited by Archer Opterix, : Typo repair.Edited by Archer Opterix, : HTML.Edited by Archer Opterix, : Clarity.

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ArcherAll species are transitional.

That's quite a list. Which part of the US are you from?

Do you assume that you yourself are capable of rape? You possibly do.So if you were on a first date with a girl, would you therefore advise her to assume that you are capable of rape? I think not.It's perfectly right for someone to be on their guard against potential danger, but all-out assumption can be a double-edged sword.Edited by RickJB, : No reason given.Edited by RickJB, : No reason given.Edited by RickJB, : No reason given.

In response to a poster who says this-- schrafinator writes this: I appreciate this disclosure, Schraf, because it helps me understand better your purpose in returning to this subject.You say you have a goal: a particular response you desire from readers.Your goal, as stated, is not to make readers think a certain way. You say you intend them to feel a certain way. The conclusion you wish them to draw is an emotional one.If you don't mind elaborating a little further, a key detail would help to clarify this.When everyone on the board feels as disturbed as they are supposed to feel, what will that look like?Will they say a particular thing? Do a particular thing? What will happen?___Edited by Archer Opterix, : Brev.

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ArcherAll species are transitional.

Because it's more likely, by far; also, as a male, I possess an advantage of physical strength over women and children but not other males, so that's where the greatest degree of danger is.The odds of being raped by a woman fall down there in "odds of being struck by lightning" territory. The odds of being raped by a man are apparently so great we can count on one in four women being sexually assaulted during her lifetime. I don't see any reasonable argument from that basis that concludes that women are just as likely to be rapists, as you seem to imply.There's a reason that more than 95% of all violent crimes are committed by men, AO. Why do you suppose that might be? Because that's what was the subject of discussion? And I'm not about to let you change the subject to a discussion of male entitlement to sexual access?

Only because that comment would be completely misinterpreted. I would hope, however, that her friends had told her exactly that, and I certainly wouldn't take her out for a romantic drive through the woods in my Jeep at 3 in the morning. At least not until we knew each other a little better. 1 in 4 women will be sexually assaulted during her lifetime; most of those who are so assaulted will be assaulted again. You tell me what kinds of assumptions are warranted from that alarming statistic.

You know, I could have sworn only gays were capable of molesting and raping other people.Added by edit.Anyway, I was going to ask how or where the rape issue came up when I noticed message #88. Edited by gasby, : No reason given.

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It is you, Mr Frog, who are changing the subject. I asked you a straightforward question that follows logically from your own stated principle. You have not answered it.I spoke of all forms of violation by all genders of persons. My remarks were inclusive. The word I used was 'crime.'You said your standard for men, in the absence of evidence of wrongdoing, was 'not guilty, but capable.'Is this your standard for all persons, or males only?___

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ArcherAll species are transitional.

I see nothing in Archer's post to warrant such an acrimonious response.He simply states that shadows lurk in all of us - regardless of position, gender, race, etc. True statement.The Christians will attribute this to our fallen nature, I think of it as evolutionary heritage. A heritage that can be overcome with our new found intelligence and self-awareness. With time maybe these shadows may disappear or at least fade as their value becomes of less propagation utility.I once watched a National Geo film on Killer whales. The Killer whales convened once a year along the coast of an island known as a seal breading ground. As the young seals entered the water, the Killer whales waited and feasted. At times, some of the Killer whales would appear to play with the prey before devouring the young pups. Nature at work.Towards the end of the film and the end of the breading period they filmed one strangling seal pup flailing in the sea, not having got the swimming thing down yet, and you thought - oh no here it goes again.However, this time a Killer whale actually rescued the pup and “nosed” it back to shore. And I thought - hey that is intelligent thought taking pity on this poor pup. This was not altruism as may be explained by the selfish gene. The whale had no possible gain from doing this. The whale was satiated and overcame its instinctive response. Maybe, the beginnings of empathy were emerging in this intelligent creature. I suppose one could conjecture that this would be one more seal to dine on next year - maybe but it is a long shot and would unlikely benifit this one particular whale.The point of this is, I believe, with the emergence of self-aware intelligence, life becomes more aware of the “knowledge of good and evil” and can overcome the shadows of its heritage, red in tooth and claw.Edited by iceage, : speling

Really? That's not what I read.What I read was you, responding to several stories of male aggression against Schraf (a woman), asserting that "everybody needs to take responsibility for his or her actions." Now, the only "her" in Schraf's story was Schraf herself, so what exactly are you asserting she needs to take responsibility for? Why, exactly, would you respond to someone recounting how they had been victimized in the past with admonitions that they should "take responsibility" unless you felt that they were responsible for what had happened to them? My standard for what?

But it's a pretty transparent attempt at a smokescreen. Sure, people in general do bad things. What does that have to do with the price of tea in China?The discussion at hand was the fact that more than 50% of male respondents polled asserted that they would rape a woman, potentially violently, if they thought they could get away with it.AO's delightful speculations on the nature of humanity, while humerous, are completely irrelevant. Of course, irrelevant distractions from the issue are precisely what I've come to expect from the male entitlement crowd the very second that issues of rape become the subject under discussion.

Forget it.. already answeredEdited by Creavolution, : No reason given.

Her message 107 of this thread provides the research that her conclusion is based on. Yeah, but the friends and family of rapists always say that. "There's no way he's capable of that." The problem is that rape is a crime completely normal men appear to be capable of.

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wow.. Can I ask what you base that on?
I know a lot of american men and I don't think there's onw of them i could say that about.
and why only american?
It strikes me that that's on the same order of generalisation as one of Faith's "all Muslims are terrorists' type statements

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Here's that question again, Mr Frog. I will word it as simply as possible so you can understand.
Please pay attention. If need be, secure the assistance of a native English speaker.Do you believe that women as well as men are capable of crime?___

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ArcherAll species are transitional.