Childhood Vaccinations – Necessary or Overkill? Sequal Thread

When was the last time you heard of a Hep B vaccine shortage?Flu vaccine, yes. Hep B?C'mon, PD. I also can't say with 100% accuracy that I know why gravity exists. (Noone knows.) But I don't spend my time worrying about it.Look. PD.It is a fact (as best as science can determine a fact) that thimerosal does NOT cause autism.It is also a fact that there is no thimerosal in the vaccines given to newborns.Therefore, genetic susceptibility is not an issue.The diagnosis rate of autism has remained steady (or slightly increased) since the removal of thimerosal from vaccines.No thimerosal = steady rate of autism diagnoses.Are you suggesting that a Hep B shortage is responsible for this?Edited by molbiogirl, : No reason given.

Two things.One. Thimerosal has been in vaccines since 1928.
Two. The rate of autism disgnosis has risen dramatically since it was recognized in 1943.Why didn't autism rates skyrocket between 1943 and 1978 (the site you linked to said 1/10,000 in 1978 and 1/700 now)?I will give you my best answer:It wasn't until the late 1960s when autism was defined as separate from "infantile schizophrenia".The rate of diagnosis started to go up.And the rate has continued to climb ever since.And, yes, you're right.The site you linked to is entirely anecdotal.Look. I played with mercury in my dad's dental lab when I was a kid.As a grad student, I have a 4.0 and got my undergraduates degrees (all 3 of them) magna cum laude.So that's one anecdote for and one against.Anecdotal info is worse than useless.In the case of vaccines, it's dangerous. And deadly.

I downloaded a 215 page document from the NIH and posted a lot of the technical info earlier. Message 67You can take a gander at the nitty gritty if you'd like:The page you’re looking for isn’t available | NIH: National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases

Then add this to your understanding.There is no mercury in the shots given to kids these days. Lay off the Evil Scientist Worldwide Conspiracy®, buz.It's ad hominem and Lindalou wore us out with that nonsense.Argue the evidence.And the evidence says:There is no mercury in the vaccines.No mercury = no "safety issue".

Mercury is toxic.Mercury is deadly. We have studied, and know intimately, the effects of mercury on the human body.Cognitive deficits, movement disorders, death, etc.Flu, hay fever, and the chilblains are not symptoms of mercury poisoning. This bears repeating.THERE IS NO MERCURY IN THE VACCINATIONS GIVEN TO CHILDREN.If you wish to discuss amalgams, take it to the appropriate thread.You should know better, buz.You're an admin.

Hell to the yeah.Lindalou got a filling.Two months later Lindalou got depressed.Guess what caused her clinical depression?

Actual.I just did a search to find the original message, but Lindalou has used the word in 35 different posts.I'm too lazy to look thru all 35 to find it.

Depression.I'm not sure if she used the word "clinical" and I'm not sure if she used the word "filling", "amalgam", or "I went to the dentist" and I am far too tired tonight to fiddle with search terms.And yes.2 months is way too short.And the mercury exposure is negligible.One can of tunafish dumps more methyl mercury into your system than the entire round of vaccinations you got as a child (assuming you're old enough to have gotten vax with thimerosal ... way back when vaccinations had mercury, I mean).

Key word here is "extrapolate".Thimerosal contains ethyl mercury.Some loon (Wakefield) published a crappy paper in a respectable journal and the bloody rotten media runs with it.60 Minutes, Newsweek, ad nauseum.Vaccinations rates start to go thru the floor.Epidemics break out.Sure it's just one measles epidemic that sweeps an Indiana town here, an Austalian pertussis epidemic there ... ... suddenly you've got a situation on your hands.The FDA, the CDC, and the NIH can read the handwriting on the wall with the best of us.Despite the fact that the ethyl mercury in vaccinations has never been linked to adverse reactions ...Despite the fact that the ethyl mercury is injected intramuscularly and thus is not subject to digestion (one of the ways methyl mercury does its damage) ...Despite the fact that the exposure to ethyl mercury is miniscule ...Get it out of the vaccines NOW or we're gonna be in serious trouble! (said the FDA/CDC/NIH).And so out it came.And the antivax screeds and, therefore, the epidemics continue.God bless the interwebs and the Antivax Hysterics®.

I just did a pubmed search on vaccinated/unvaccinated children.I don't have time this morning to sort thru the 500 hits but here's a start:A population-based study of measles, mumps, and rubella vaccination and autism.
1: N Engl J Med. 2002 Nov 7;347(19):1477-82

I'd like to take a look at the source on that one. Preferably from a reliable source (CDC, NIH, etc.) Link?Also. Should you take the time to peruse the NIH document I linked earlier, you will find that, in Europe and Canada, thimerosal has been out of the "vax stream" for well over 10 years (including stuff left in the storage closet). Good evidence?The cohort studies I cited from the NIH document are HUGE. And methodologically they were impeccable.What on earth do you mean "no good evidence"? I was waiting for this one.In my effort to better understand Antivax Hysterics, I've had the distinct displeasure of perusing their gobbledygook.Usually, when the thimerosal/autism link is busted (because the more "rational" among them can see that you can't have an autism "epidemic" without thimerosal), they jump on the "Well, it's the vaccinations themselves, then." bandwagon.So. PD.What is it about the "vaccinations themselves" that is of concern?And I would like cites from the scientific literature or CDC/NIH/FDA/etc. please. No mercury = no genetic susceptibility.It's that simple.

No. I was answering a question. Read the thread. Should you persist in this nonsense, I will alert the moderators to your OT ad hominems.

Take your helpful advice for PD and buz (and anything else you would like to chat about) to the chat room.This thread is for examining evidence for and against childhood vaccinations.Edited by molbiogirl, : No reason given.

Poverty, poor sanitation, and malnutrition were not the conditions of the Native American population.Yet, smallpox wiped out 80% of these folks. What you don't know about anthropology is matched only what you don't know about biology.Take the time to do some reading on pubmed re: indigenous populations aka hunter-gatherers.You will find, as did I when I worked on my Anthro degree, that hunter-gatherers are well fed folks.As for "hand to mouth". Hunter gatherers work but a few hours a day and find plenty to eat. And they have egalitarian, non-hierarchical societies (for the most part, tho there are exceptions) to boot.

See my earlier post. Message 116