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Author | Topic: Just What is (and what is wrong with) Political Correctness? | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
robinrohan Inactive Member |
I would agree that classifying something as "PC" means it is language that is phrased in the least offensive way possible. Are there any differing opinions? I think there's a lot more to it than just how one words something. It's a moral system. It's also a political agenda. My problem with it is that it seems to try to dictate feelings. We are supposed to go around feeling nice, politically correct feelings all the time. But people aren't that way. Thus they sometimes PRETEND to have such feelings. That's why I call it a pretense.
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robinrohan Inactive Member |
I do wonder what is wrong in attempting to be inoffensive to others around you even if you're having politically incorrect feelings. Nothing wrong with it in most cases, as long as we realize that's what we are doing. In fact, it's necessary. "PC" is rather hard to pin down, but we can make a start: It came out of the Civil Rights movement and the feminist movement. The idea is to get rid of prejudice, to eradicate it completely--any prejudice, all prejudice. The problem with this is that people are naturally prejudiced and tribal by nature. There's an essay called "In Defense of Prejudice," by Jonathan Rauch which has some interesting points. In this essay, the author's term for "political correctness" is "purism." He says at one point, "stamping out prejudice really means forcing everyone to share the same prejudice, namely that of whoever is in authority." Another comment from the essay: "Like earlier crusades against antisocial ideas, the mission [of purism or pc] is fueled by good (if cocksure) intentions and a genuine sense of urgency. Some kinds of error are held to be intolerable . . . Like their forebears of another stripe--the Church in its campaigns against heretics, the Mycarthyites in their campaigns against Communists--the modern anti-racist and anti-sexist and ant-homophobic campaigners are totalists, demanding not that misguided ideas and ugly expressions be corrected or criticized but that they be eradicated." Edited by robinrohan, : No reason given. Edited by robinrohan, : No reason given.
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robinrohan Inactive Member |
This seems insightful to me:
I suppose there's a need here for a stab at a definition -- which may be acceptable providing nobody takes first efforts as final.
In my experience it has something to do with an angry moralistic response to normal innocent human behavior. In its purest form it has a Marxist framework that defines an Oppressor and an Oppressed, a Victim and his Victimizer. The Victim in the Marxist version may be a veteran in a wheelchair or any race other than white, or a female as opposed to a male and the like, but it varies quite a bit depending on context. The Oppressor or Victimizer is treated as unmitigated evil, denounced in the most venomous indignant tones, described as a Nazi quite frequently, although he may have done nothing more than blunder out onto a patio where some sad-looking veterans were sitting, feel sorry for them in the privacy of his own mind and leave after a few minutes. It's moralism extended into arenas it has no right to be, attacking people for merely being human with all their faults and bumblings, or attacking people for thoughtful opinions that happen to clash with the PC opinion. This happens a lot. It's not just a disagreement, it's an attack on the person. It's risky to attempt an abstract definition of this, but that's all that occurs to me at the moment.
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robinrohan Inactive Member |
1. Be inclusive, not exclusive.
2. don't make assumptions about people 3. don't pity people: this is dehumanizing to them 4. don't judge people 5. recognize that America is racist through and through 6. recognize that American society is sexist through and through 7. don't steretype people or anything else 8. love yourself (have "self-esteem")
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robinrohan Inactive Member |
According to whom? Me.
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robinrohan Inactive Member |
I fail to see what is wrong with these sentiments. They are simple-minded. We are exclusive, we make assumptions, we judge people, we stereotype.
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robinrohan Inactive Member |
But there are, of course, always those social misfits who just hock up their snot anywhere they please. My point is that it's impossible to live without judging and assuming and so forth.
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robinrohan Inactive Member |
I disagree with RobinRohan's description of the history of PC as a concept originating as a joke amongst liberals. My view is that it arose as a way of attacking liberal concerns with the political uses of language. I know it was used as a joke among liberals because I experienced the use of if firsthand as a joke during the 70s and 80s.
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robinrohan Inactive Member |
true.. What are the good effects of ths though? do you think we should try not to be exclusive? No, I prefer being exclusive myself. I want to associate only with the best and brightest. Here's another point. Why is "judging" always viewed in a negative way? There's such a thing as a favorable judgment. I make favorable and unfavorable judgments about people all the time. Everybody does.
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robinrohan Inactive Member |
The following is one of my all-time favorite bits from the TV show, King of the Hill. The working-class, suburban Hill family (of which Hank is the patriarch) live in a small Texas town. This show appears to be stereotyping Texans. I think I'll sue.
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robinrohan Inactive Member |
I see no problem with judging each individual on their individual merits, not based upon some Stereotype. Sterotyping is inevitable. It's just a pejorative term for "classifying." That's how we think. We classify. Stereotypes can come in very subtle packages.
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robinrohan Inactive Member |
No, it's stereotyping people who live insular lives. Then why is the character a Texan? Sounds very fishy to me.
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robinrohan Inactive Member |
You're the person who decides what people are supposed to think? No, I meant that was my opinion about PC.
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robinrohan Inactive Member |
Yes this is true. Our classifications have the capacity for being wrong as well. Should they be corrected? Sure, the way they get corrected is through increased knowledge of whatever we have a stereotype about. I have a stereotype about the subject of genetics: it seems to me impossibly complicated. If I knew more aobut it, I might find out I was wrong. Let's say I meet some man at a party and he strikes me as rather rude. As time passes, I find out that he's not so rude after all. I classified him initially as "rude." To say we must not stereotype is very misleading. Edited by robinrohan, : No reason given.
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robinrohan Inactive Member |
that's not stereotyping though. I have this category in my head labelled "rude people." I have classified them. We're not supposed to do this, according to PC.
You would be making a judgement on that person based upon the fact they wore an eyepatch. That would be wrong don't you think? That would be an irrational classification. Not all stereotypes are irrational. Edited by robinrohan, : No reason given.
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