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Author | Topic: Just What is (and what is wrong with) Political Correctness? | |||||||||||||||||||||||
Dan Carroll Inactive Member |
EXACTLY! It's just another kind of conformism enforced by power, or among us plebes, by huffy ridicule, tones of indignant opprobrium etc. Lockstep mindless marching to the PC drummer is the objective, not true freedom from prejudice if even that were possible, and it isn't. Last I checked, the objective of PC was that people not be dicks. If anyone really feels the need to stand up and proclaim that they will not be forced to march lockstep with semi-decent behavior, that's their prerogative, I suppose. Of course, the righteous indignation here is kind of undermined by the fact that anyone who wants to still has the right to call a black guy a nigger, or call gay guys faggots, or what-have-you. And, of course, everyone else has the right to respond by saying, "Geez, what a dick." Since the latter part of this equation is, as far as I know, the absolute limits of the power PC has over society, I'm not really sure where all this business about those in power enforcing their conformism comes from. Edited by Dan Carroll, : No reason given.
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Dan Carroll Inactive Member |
They are simple-minded. We are exclusive, we make assumptions, we judge people, we stereotype. We also wipe our noses on our sleeves. But the grownups in the room know that, although their impulse is to get the booger out of their nose right now, it would probably be best to go find a tissue. But there are, of course, always those social misfits who just hock up their snot anywhere they please.
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Dan Carroll Inactive Member |
My point is that it's impossible to live without judging and assuming and so forth. What you can do, however, is pay attention to your responses, and understand when your actions are offensive. It's impossible to live without taking a crap. It's possible, and advisable, to not crap your pants in public.
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Dan Carroll Inactive Member |
It's all in the clench.
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Dan Carroll Inactive Member |
That's PC. It's the abusiveness, the labeling, the smearing, the aggressive rejection of any other opinion, the enforced prohibition against thinking anything other than what they say you should think. I'm still curious as to who is actually enforcing this enforced prohibition. You've certainly done a good job of pointing out how American white people were the ones who really had it rough in the sixties, but you have yet to tell us who has actually managed to prohibit you from thinking something other than that what they said you should think. So far, it just seems like people have decided they don't like you because of what you think, and told you so.
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Dan Carroll Inactive Member |
to answer your insinuation that I was being criticized and didn't like it, what I was criticized for was being "too analytical," not for my political views. I wasn't a conservative or a Christian at the time, even thought I was a liberal, although really I was mostly a-political, and I hated the whole political scene because of the leftist atmosphere which I really didn't understand at all. It was an atmosphere of ugliness, of intimidation, of hostility, of vague constant threat, of irrationality, of the trashing of culture and intellectual ideals by vulgar violent activism. I hated it with a passion but I didn't have a name for it until much much later. You said all this already. But I'm not asking who was mean to you. I'm asking who enforced the "enforced prohibition" against thinking anything other than what they want you to think. To my knowledge, you still have the right and ability to think whatever you please. If someone is trying to forcibly prohibit you from doing so, they're doing a really shitty job. What specific measures have they taken to keep you from thinking a certain way?
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Dan Carroll Inactive Member |
My you have a strange inability to grasp the point here. I'm talking about the general effect of social opprobrium, peer pressure, the lack of exposure to different points of view -- so often the case in universities today too. Oh. So you are talking about people not liking you, and saying so. You just feel pressured because so many people don't like you. I just figured that when you said "enforced prohibition," you meant... y'know. That someone was actually prohibiting something by force.
It's not too far from the situation in Communist countries where nobody could say anything against the establishment Except that, apparently, you get internet access in the gulag.
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Dan Carroll Inactive Member |
Typical puerile nonsense. Sorry I bothered. And for my part, I will note for future reference that if "social opprobrium" and "peer pressure" are levied against you, it does not mean that people don't like you, it is in fact "enforced prohibition." But if there is a case of "enforced prohibition", it does not mean that something is being prohibited by force. See, I'm learning. Edited by Dan Carroll, : No reason given.
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Dan Carroll Inactive Member |
One is urged by this moral system to be public-spirited. No... you got urged by this forum to be public-spirited, and decided it was because of political correctness.
Not to be so is wicked by PC standards and is called "apathy." I think you get called apathetic because you "reserve [your] basic right not to give a damn." That's what apathy means... not giving a damn.
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Dan Carroll Inactive Member |
It's conformism in thought and feeling demanded and enforced by extreme moralistic denunciations. In all seriousness, Faith... I still don't get how this is not "people don't like you, and say so," if the only means by which it is enforced is "extreme moralistic denunciations." There's no force of authority. No physical force. Just people reacting to what others say and do by saying they think poorly of the person (denouncing them) for what they say and do. Even if it is extreme, it's still just variations on responding to someone's attitude by saying, "Geez, what a dick."
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Dan Carroll Inactive Member |
You are personalizing something that is not personal, and missing the whole point. If it will make you feel better, feel free to read the question as:
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Dan Carroll Inactive Member |
I think the reference is to social pressures in the real world. Read the rest of the question, Robin. I'm asking, if the only force behind it is social pressure, then it doesn't it basically amount to "people don't like someone?" (Or, in extremes, lots of people don't like someone." Edited by Dan Carroll, : No reason given.
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Dan Carroll Inactive Member |
It's a system of thought, it's not just saying you disagree with something or dislike someone. Okay. Let's assume it's a system of thought by which people don't like someone because of their attitude and actions. All this means is that a person's system of thought will lead them to respond to someone by saying, "Geez, what a dick." Edited by Dan Carroll, : No reason given.
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Dan Carroll Inactive Member |
Yes, but such pressures are powerful. One must conform or be out on the streets. Which, of course, makes one wonder how you and Faith are managing to get internet access from your cardboard box behind the 7-11. Do you feel that people have a right to be liked?
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Dan Carroll Inactive Member |
Yes, you've made that clear. But so far, the only connection you've established is you calling it PC.
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