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Author | Topic: Just What is (and what is wrong with) Political Correctness? | |||||||||||||||||||||||
robinrohan Inactive Member |
I happen to be a Registered Republican and been working Conservative causes since Eisenhower's second run. Makes no difference.
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Heathen Member (Idle past 1313 days) Posts: 1067 From: Brizzle Joined: |
ikabod writes:
No but it will have the effect of changing the preconceoption of that role and a predominantly male role.
does changing chairman to chairperson change the male female ratio of chairpoeple ?? ikabod writes:
No. but it is a far more respectful way to refer to members of society. or do you think it's ok to call black people 'coon' or 'nigger'?
does calling someone afroamerican change the way they are treated by racists ?? ikabod writes:
But it is very important to take disrespectful and insulting references out of society so our children do not grow up thinking it is ok.
people who use racial / ethnic / gender or what ever hate names and terms need to keep using them so we can clearly see them for what they are ... and we can deal with them ... ikabod writes:
PC does not paper over these problems, it makes an effort to remove them from our everyday life. papering over the reality with PC terms is no solution ...and this is the danger of PC it hides the truth
what is your solution?
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robinrohan Inactive Member |
It is the work of those that Faith and Robin are whining about that made people realize that these words DO dehumanize people and are WRONG to use. When someone disagrees with the majority opinion on this forum, this is called "whining." When someone agrees with the majority opinion, that's called "making a point."
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robinrohan Inactive Member |
what is your solution? Maybe "intellectual pluralism." Edited by robinrohan, : No reason given. Edited by robinrohan, : No reason given. Edited by robinrohan, : No reason given. Edited by robinrohan, : No reason given.
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crashfrog Member (Idle past 1496 days) Posts: 19762 From: Silver Spring, MD Joined: |
I reserve my basic right not to give a damn. I think a lot of the rest of us are anxious for you to excercise that right; along with your right to remain silent.
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ikabod Member (Idle past 4523 days) Posts: 365 From: UK Joined: |
personally i have no wish to demean anyone ....
but for example.. german ..hmm as im english lets pick one from each world war .. Hun ,used in both meanings.. barbaric and beastial , a Adolf , no prizes for work this one out .. and a host of others and im sure anyone from a eruopean culture can add to the list as for you being white .. well me to , so i will leave the names to others the point is by demeaning and isolting others you get the same back from those you assault ..
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robinrohan Inactive Member |
I think a lot of the rest of us are anxious for you to excercise that right; along with your right to remain silent. That's a good one. Very witty.
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docpotato Member (Idle past 5077 days) Posts: 334 From: Portland, OR Joined: |
I don't really know if that's true or not. I'm certainly not able to disagree with you because one does see this behavior. And in this case, I, personally, didn't see anything that inspired people calling you Scarlett either. It's interesting though that the way you're using the phrase PC is as dismissive and simplistic in its use as someone calling you a racist. Using a broad brush to paint your opponent, force them into a a preconception that you hold, etc.
The American Drivel Review
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ikabod Member (Idle past 4523 days) Posts: 365 From: UK Joined: |
No. but it is a far more respectful way to refer to members of society. or do you think it's ok to call black people 'coon' or 'nigger'? no its not respectful it still isolates them ... they are members of the americans society , they are american why indicate their ancestrial origins no it is not ok to use coon or nigger , or to use the name black ... WE are all people .
But it is very important to take disrespectful and insulting references out of society so our children do not grow up thinking it is ok. ....it is more important to teach children why some people use such terms and the wrongness of their actions , hiding a crime does not make it go away .. the solution is to educate and intergrate so that the terms become redundent ... so that when you see a person you see a person not a " label" person ...PC deals with simptoms not cause Edited by ikabod, : No reason given. Edited by ikabod, : No reason given. Edited by AdminJar, : use the other slash to close quotes. it is / not \
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Chiroptera Inactive Member |
quote: Which is what I tend to do. "These monkeys are at once the ugliest and the most beautiful creatures on the planet./ And the monkeys don't want to be monkeys; they want to be something else./ But they're not." -- Ernie Cline
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1474 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
It's interesting though that the way you're using the phrase PC is as dismissive and simplistic in its use as someone calling you a racist. Using a broad brush to paint your opponent, force them into a a preconception that you hold, etc It's all a matter of whether it's actually true or not. You can decide that for yourself, but you can't rightly deal with it formulaically by simply pointing out a superficial similarity between my descriptions and theirs.
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docpotato Member (Idle past 5077 days) Posts: 334 From: Portland, OR Joined: |
It's all a matter of whether it's actually true or not. You can decide that for yourself, but you can't rightly deal with it formulaically by simply pointing out a superficial similarity between my descriptions and theirs. Well, through this, one does learn that the methods of indictment are often the same. That's part of dealing with it. I just have been seeing the PC label brandished so often and readily, it often seems like it means nothing other than "You're disagreeing with me too much and too regularly." Your use seems more consistent than, say, Robinrohan's use, though. The American Drivel Review
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1474 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Maybe "intellectual pluralism." I think I know what you mean, I think I agree, but could you please spell it out to be sure.
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robinrohan Inactive Member |
Your use seems more consistent than, say, Robinrohan's use, though. That may be. Let me see if can get a handle on it. PC's basic ideas, such as that racism and sexism are morally wrong, I certainly agree with. But there are elements of it that bother me. I've talked about the inevitability of judging and stereotyping and so forth, but there's something else in it that I can mention. One is urged by this moral system to be public-spirited. One sees evidence of this tendency in some of the other threads. Not to be so is wicked by PC standards and is called "apathy." In this way, it tends to stifle individualism. It tends to urge everyone to do the same sort of things and think the same sort of thoughts and feel the same sort of feelings, which must be uplifting in nature, and illustrate one's self-esteem, and be seen as beneficial to the common good. There is an element of collectivism in it that I view with suspicion. Edited by robinrohan, : No reason given.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1474 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Well, through this, one does learn that the methods of indictment are often the same. That's part of dealing with it. I just have been seeing the PC label brandished so often and readily, it often seems like it means nothing other than "You're disagreeing with me too much and too regularly." PC is one of those things where if you are tuned into it you know it when you see it, although it may be hard to define. I think it's been brandished so much lately in an effort to fix the particular example in mind as an instance of it, as part of the attempt to define it. It doesn't help that the liberals really don't get it at all, and keep muddying up the definitions.
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