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obvious Child
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Message 61 of 105 (386436)
02-21-2007 5:25 PM
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02-20-2007 10:21 PM


Re: Trees can replicate without germination
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The lack of response seems to indicate that creationists are quite content to leave this thread well alone

Which lends evidence to the idea that Creationism, literal that is, cannot be argued on its ow merits and derives its validity from the alleged problems of Evolution.

Of course if the sky is not orange, is it therefore pink!


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Message 62 of 105 (386588)
02-22-2007 2:49 PM


Mushrooms!
They all ate mushrooms I tell ya. Plenty of moisture...lots of nutrients what with all the death of everything on earth and all.

And why not fish? All that water receding had to leave a stranded whale shark or two.

And all the fossils we see today...those were the first things eaten after the ark. Thats why there are no dinosaurs and giant sloths today...Noah and friends ate them!

Obviously I am having fun. I have always wondered how corals and other sedentary aquatic animals could have survived the supposed flood.

Edited by clpMINI, : stupid typos


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Message 63 of 105 (386589)
02-22-2007 2:57 PM
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02-22-2007 2:49 PM


Re: Mushrooms!
well, as to the corals, you see:

they built their own walls and retreated inside. when the flood receded, it took away the walls by dissolving them. see, at this time, the top layer had the acid nessecary to destroy these protective structures. that way, while the flood was well above them, they could survive, and they wouldn't entirely die out because the shells were destroyed. also, upon the dissolving, the acid was destroyed, so these corals could survive in the water.

works perfectly.


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Message 64 of 105 (386778)
02-23-2007 3:26 PM
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02-22-2007 2:57 PM


Re: Mushrooms!
And they turned on their recessive infrared genes that allow them to convert infared into food as the waters above them were so murky normal light couldn't filter through? Or they magically turned on their genes which allowed them to function like deep sea coral feeding off decaying organic material?

MAGIC!!!!


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Message 65 of 105 (393806)
04-07-2007 9:44 AM
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02-21-2007 5:25 PM


Re: Trees can replicate without germination
obvious Child

Which lends evidence to the idea that Creationism, literal that is, cannot be argued on its ow merits and derives its validity from the alleged problems of Evolution.

I think this is quite so and I am replying to you here in the hope that the topic I raised here might get some further exposure to critique by members of the creationist side to hear their arguements.


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obvious Child
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Message 66 of 105 (393821)
04-07-2007 2:35 PM
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Re: Trees can replicate without germination
Fat chance. I have yet to meet a creationist that can argue their beliefs on their own merits. I've run into a few who admit they cannot.
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Message 67 of 105 (393832)
04-07-2007 3:34 PM
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02-15-2007 9:48 AM


Re: Excuses excuses excuses
what happened to the plant life that allowed them to escape being destroyed utterly while at the same time allow the animals that survived to find sustenance.

God did it :)


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obvious Child
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Message 68 of 105 (393971)
04-08-2007 8:17 PM


has anyone noticed that creatiowiki has stopped the registration of new members? Literal creationism is based on lies. Furthermore, it would seem that its community KNOWS this. A organization or set of organizations trying to hide something engages in behavior that limits or stops discussion with outside sources. We've seen this with gov'ts, with corporations with small groups of people. If they were open to discussion, they wouldn't try to cut off discussion with people in the areas of the subject.
  
grmorton
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Message 69 of 105 (393976)
04-08-2007 9:24 PM
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04-07-2007 2:35 PM


Re: Trees can replicate without germination
Fat chance. I have yet to meet a creationist that can argue their beliefs on their own merits. I've run into a few who admit they cannot.

While I am not a young-earth creationist, I am a creationist. I suspect that I am capable of arguing quite effectively for my beliefs and against reductionism. Want to go a round? I don't know where to do it on this fora.

Edited by grmorton, : No reason given.


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Message 70 of 105 (393977)
04-08-2007 9:43 PM
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02-14-2007 6:39 PM


Re-Noah's Flood
I will delight in hearing how such difficulties can be addressed.

Hi sidelined,

If you are looking for a scientific answer I do not think you will not find one.

Since you want an answer I will propose one.

In the beginning God created the heavens, the earth, man, animals,
and every living thing, in one day. I am not talking of the 7 days of Moses in Genesis 1:2 - Genesis 2:3.

Remember there was over a hundred years to get ready for the flood.
There are animals that hibernate for many months at a time.

But that aside a power that could make the universe in one day and all living things in it should not have a problem with sustaining the animal life on board the ark.

He could have put 50 feet of water on the earth in 1 nanosecond if he so desired. He could have also removed it the same way.

He spoke the trees and all vegetation into existence in the beginning why could He not do it the second or third or fourth time if necessary.

God does not need evolution for things to grow. He speaks and they exist.

So the problem is not with the flood or any other things in the Bible, save one.

The problem is Genesis 1:1.

If someone believes Genesis 1:1 they have no problem with the rest of the Bible.


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Message 71 of 105 (393993)
04-08-2007 11:39 PM
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04-08-2007 9:24 PM


Re: Trees can replicate without germination
Jump in to any science thread and we'll see how you do. :)
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Message 72 of 105 (393994)
04-08-2007 11:43 PM
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Re: Re-Noah's Flood
So, it is no problem with you that there is no physical evidence left behind of this flood?

What about the fact that there have been continuous civilizations during and previous to the time the flood was supposed to have happened?

To have god cover up all of his evidence seems to make him sort of deceptive, doesn't it?


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Message 73 of 105 (394014)
04-09-2007 7:23 AM
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Re: Re-Noah's Flood
ICANT

But that aside a power that could make the universe in one day and all living things in it should not have a problem with sustaining the animal life on board the ark.

Indeed, so what was the point of having Noah build the ark and of flooding the earth in the first place? God could just as easily have wiped the slate clean without violence or he could have changed mens hearts in the blink of an eye as well.


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obvious Child
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Message 74 of 105 (394124)
04-09-2007 6:53 PM
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04-08-2007 9:24 PM


Re: Trees can replicate without germination
When I use creationist, I mean literal. Theistic creation however, seems to be all the rage these days.
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grmorton
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Message 75 of 105 (394134)
04-09-2007 8:24 PM
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04-09-2007 6:53 PM


Re: Trees can replicate without germination

When I use creationist, I mean literal. Theistic creation however, seems to be all the rage these days.

Well, I have what I believe is a literal interp. It just isn't the literal interp of AiG or ICR. I think I literally see in the Bible, God ordering the earth to evolve (bring forth) life. So, I would argue that I do fall onto more literal side of the coin.


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