I know I referred you all over to ID Forum to discuss ID, so this is a distinct improvement. I referred you to this particular post to as a possible place to discuss the design-designer issue.
The present area of discussion is a little...ahem...post-modern, can we get a bit of focus?
It certainly seems like you are all very keen to debate - and I don't want to stop you. Maybe someone wants to make some sense out of the ideas that have cropped up here and either take them elsewhere or propose a new topic?