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Theodoric
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Message 22 of 1198 (633258)
09-13-2011 10:41 AM
Reply to: Message 20 by jar
09-13-2011 10:12 AM


Re: Jesus and Paul Were Jews
to the issue of Original Sin which is an even later product created during the second century CE.
I think this is a very important point. Fundie Christians tend to think that the ideas they have have existed since time immemorial. This is a very clear and important example that some of the important concepts they hold dear are much later concepts than they think.
Those interested should read up on Irenaeus.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

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Theodoric
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Message 383 of 1198 (709616)
10-28-2013 6:20 PM
Reply to: Message 379 by Phat
10-28-2013 5:09 PM


Re: What Is Wisdom?
The Bible is not to be understood by reading since by filtering the words of the Bible through linguistic filters keeps human wisdom atop it all.
That folks says it all right there. Ant attempt Phat ever made to make a coherent reasoned comment about religion or the bible is destroyed utterly by this one comment.
This is beyond word salad, it is beyond delusion. But it tells us a lot about the thinking of a certain segment of religious people.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

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Message 386 of 1198 (709637)
10-28-2013 9:18 PM
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10-28-2013 9:01 PM


Re: What Is Spirit?
Ahhh yes, the peanut gallery. Welcome, Theodoric..welcome. Of course it appears that you already have your mind made up about the Bible...thus you won't learn anything.
Well with people like you as its publicists why the hell would I even think it could have anything to teach me.
I have read the bible(The Jerusalem, King James, Good News, New Revised Catholic Edition)4 times now. Are you telling me I am reading it wrong? How am I supposed to read it so that it teaches this divine wisdom you claim is in it?

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

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Theodoric
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Message 405 of 1198 (709956)
10-31-2013 10:12 AM
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10-31-2013 7:06 AM


Re: C.S.Lewis perspective
Im sure this post will get a dislike from Theodoric
It should because your arguments are just words strung together that you think sound impressive. You present Lewis and others as experts, but all they give are their beliefs and feelings without anything to back up their assertions. Lewis is a mess of logical fallacies. Try searching CS Lewis logical fallacies and read. I suggest using Duckduckgo. No ads, no tracking, anonymous
You waste pixels, that I why I dislike your posts.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

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Theodoric
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Message 408 of 1198 (710039)
11-01-2013 8:59 AM
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11-01-2013 2:52 AM


Re: C.S.Lewis perspective
C.S. Lewis gives no reasons for his conversion from Atheism to faith in Christ and theism ?
Have I said such a thing? If all you have is a strawman why do you even bother posting?
Your eyes must be sown shut with a needle and thread.
Now that is just plain stupid. Please, if you don't have anything that responds what I actually posted, please don't post.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

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Theodoric
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Message 410 of 1198 (710154)
11-02-2013 10:31 AM
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11-01-2013 1:22 PM


Re: C.S.Lewis perspective
I responded to this general observation -
No you didn't.
an Oxford Professor who gives assertions with no backing up arguments ?
More fallacy?
Did you do what I suggested and research Lewis?

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

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Theodoric
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Message 412 of 1198 (710158)
11-02-2013 11:25 AM
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11-02-2013 10:39 AM


Re: C.S.Lewis perspective
So you didn't bother searching CS Lewis logical fallacies. You certainly don't want to learn anything that might threaten your belief set.
moron
Well if he provided support being a moron would be unlikely and irrelevant.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

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Message 435 of 1198 (710413)
11-05-2013 9:35 AM
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11-02-2013 10:39 AM


Re: C.S.Lewis perspective
Did you ever bother researching a little about Lewis and his use of logical fallacies? Or is learning not really that important?
The whole faith trumps evidence thing?

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

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Message 542 of 1198 (712272)
12-01-2013 2:17 PM
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12-01-2013 1:13 PM


By posting as he does it makes it easier for him to live by the credo "If you can't dazzle them with brilliance, baffle them with bullshit."

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

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Message 547 of 1198 (712326)
12-02-2013 5:03 PM
Reply to: Message 544 by jaywill
12-02-2013 10:08 AM


There is no doubt often dazzling light in the word of God.
Well you seem not to have received that gift and have no clue how to impart said light.
Maybe no rays penetrate the blackness of your own heart.
I don't have the same beliefs as you so my heart is "black". What a typical christian comment. You sure have a funny way of proselytizing.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

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Theodoric
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Message 613 of 1198 (712775)
12-06-2013 2:57 PM
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12-06-2013 8:41 AM


Re: Jeremiah 13 and Rom 5
He is either a madman, extremely self deluded, or a liar. Either that or He is speaking the truth.
No. He could be none of the above. A real pissant.(Cue Monty Python)
Or just a fantasy.(Cue Aldo Nova)
Edited by Theodoric, : No reason given.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

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Message 684 of 1198 (713379)
12-12-2013 6:24 PM
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12-12-2013 6:02 PM


Re: another example of jaywillperverting what the Bible actually says
or my allusions to it.
Not sure you actually understand what allusion means.
But i think you are actually making elusions.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

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Theodoric
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Message 745 of 1198 (714322)
12-21-2013 2:33 PM
Reply to: Message 744 by jaywill
12-20-2013 7:10 PM


The footnotes of the Recovery Version New Testament are very helpful in grasping these truths.
That explains a lot.
quote:
The footnotes are extensive and are almost a commentary on the Bible text. Some footnotes deal with textual and translational matters, but most are comments on what is in the Bible text — interpreting and explaining what is there, and applying it to personal and church life. Some of the notes are good and helpful, but many promote some of the peculiar teachings of The Local Church. These include what seems to be a modalistic understanding of the Triune God, calling on the name of the Lord, the mingling of the divine with human in believers, and an eschatology which, while pre-millennial, includes several unusual particulars.
Recovery Version
quote:
The Recovery Version is controversial in large part because of its extensive footnotes, which promote Local Church theology.
Which a lot of Christians consider a cult.
Recovery Version
Your views are very far from mainstream chrisitanity. I suppose it is time for a No True Scotsman.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

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Theodoric
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Message 900 of 1198 (715360)
01-04-2014 12:36 PM
Reply to: Message 899 by Phat
01-04-2014 12:11 PM


Re: after the Great Rising and Blessing in Gen 2&3
As a moderator you of all people should understand we do not argue via link in this forum.
Tha would be #5 of the forum rules.
quote:
5. Bare links with no supporting discussion should be avoided. Make the argument in your own words and use links as supporting references.
As I, and probably others, do not click on links, there is no way for me to know the argument you are trying to present unless you actually present it.
If I were still allowed to I would jeer your post. You would then think I was attacking your personally. I am not jeering you, I am jeering your inability to support your own arguments.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

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Theodoric
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Message 904 of 1198 (715386)
01-04-2014 9:37 PM
Reply to: Message 901 by jaywill
01-04-2014 6:02 PM


Is that what you mean.
quote:
10. Always treat other members with respect. Argue the position, not the person. Avoid abusive, harassing and invasive behavior. Avoid needling, hectoring and goading tactics.
Is there a point to your post?
Edited by Theodoric, : No reason given.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

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