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Dr Adequate Member (Idle past 314 days) Posts: 16113 Joined: |
So, in Georgia a man shot a woman in the back because he felt she was driving too slowly.
The police response is a bit bizarre. In today’s time, I’d encourage anyone to avoid confrontation with motorists out on the roadway, said Major Stephen Fore, of DeKalb County police. You just don’t know what’s in that other person’s mind.
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vimesey Member (Idle past 102 days) Posts: 1398 From: Birmingham, England Joined: |
It's all part of the same pro-gun narrative - line up as much as you possibly can to blame, apart from gun ownership. In this case, Major Fore seems to be suggesting we blame the victim.
Could there be any greater conceit, than for someone to believe that the universe has to be simple enough for them to be able to understand it ?
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NoNukes Inactive Member |
"Major Fore seems to be suggesting we blame the victim."
In Fore's defense, we don't know exactly what question he was responding to when he made his statement. Generally, the advice about confronting people on the highway is a good idea. You aren't going to accomplish much by confronting someone who acts a fool on the highway. His advice is similar to the advice to just give a robber your money if he points a weapon at you. That advice is appropriate. But it just seems bad timing to give it when we are discussing a shooting victim. Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King If there are no stupid questions, then what kind of questions do stupid people ask? Do they get smart just in time to ask questions? Scott Adams
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vimesey Member (Idle past 102 days) Posts: 1398 From: Birmingham, England Joined: |
Oh I've no doubt that it's sensible not to get involved in altercations if you can avoid them. And I take your point that we don't know the context of the remarks.
But we've moved away from (for example) examining how short a rape victim's skirt was, because we recognise that the question introduces an attribution of blame to someone other than the scum who did it. I get the impression that the pro-gun movement is all too happy to throw blame absolutely anywhere other than guns - including onto victims. I think that's a narrative we should constantly challenge.Could there be any greater conceit, than for someone to believe that the universe has to be simple enough for them to be able to understand it ?
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NoNukes Inactive Member |
But we've moved away from (for example) examining how short a rape victim's skirt was, because we recognise that the question introduces an attribution of blame to someone other than the scum who did it. Yes. For rape we have made that call. But we have not made the call for every other situation. We still tell people to drive defensively because there are idiots out there and it is still good practical advice not to defend your wallet with your life. While I probably would not give my adult daughter any fashion advice, I might warn her about messing with dickhead drivers with anger management issues. Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King If there are no stupid questions, then what kind of questions do stupid people ask? Do they get smart just in time to ask questions? Scott Adams
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Dr Adequate Member (Idle past 314 days) Posts: 16113 Joined: |
Sure, but in this case "messing with him" amounted to not driving as fast as he wanted, so the cop's advice boils down to "if some jerk is tailgating you, you should speed up or he might shoot you." Which, if followed, would probably cost more lives than it would save.
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Tangle Member Posts: 9515 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 4.8
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The official advice for coping with tailgaters is to pull over and let the arsehole past.
Then lift the Remington M2010 ESR off the rack and shoot him in the back of the head from a safe distance.Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Life, don't talk to me about life - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved." - Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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Larni Member Posts: 4000 From: Liverpool Joined:
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Faith writes: If enough of us consistently prayed against the gun violence that would cut down on a lot of it, By that logic a proportion of 70% of American's who identify as Christians are choosing not to pray to stop mass shootings. Bad Christians! Bad!The above ontological example models the zero premise to BB theory. It does so by applying the relative uniformity assumption that the alleged zero event eventually ontologically progressed from the compressed alleged sub-microscopic chaos to bloom/expand into all of the present observable order, more than it models the Biblical record evidence for the existence of Jehovah, the maximal Biblical god designer. -Attributed to Buzsaw Message 53 The explain to them any scientific investigation that explains the existence of things qualifies as science and as an explanation-Attributed to Dawn Bertot Message 286 Does a query (thats a question Stile) that uses this physical reality, to look for an answer to its existence and properties become theoretical, considering its deductive conclusions are based against objective verifiable realities.-Attributed to Dawn Bertot Message 134
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NoNukes Inactive Member |
Sure, but in this case "messing with him" amounted to not driving as fast as he wanted, I understand that, Dr. Adequate, but we don't know what question the advice was offered in response to, so we might not be able to blame the sheriff for the connection between the advice and the incident. Of course it is entirely possible that the sheriff did offer some really bad advice. But his advice would be so astoundingly bad in this case, that I thought we might consider other possibilities. Edited by NoNukes, : No reason given. Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King If there are no stupid questions, then what kind of questions do stupid people ask? Do they get smart just in time to ask questions? Scott Adams
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1435 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
The official advice for coping with tailgaters is to pull over and let the arsehole past. These are of course the stupid people that pull up behind you and sit for 5 minutes before they consider passing ... even when the highway is completely empty. And pulling over for someone with road rage may not be a good idea either. I usually put on my 4-way blinkers, and they generally back off. Enjoyby our ability to understand Rebel☮American☆Zen☯Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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Dr Adequate Member (Idle past 314 days) Posts: 16113 Joined: |
But, you know, right to bear arms. Yeah.
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Modulous Member Posts: 7801 From: Manchester, UK Joined: |
I am not sure what you are trying to prove Dr. A. As anyone who knows anything knows, within the last 3 years, 3 people have died and literally hundreds injured in the USA as a result of malicious use of the APC:
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vimesey Member (Idle past 102 days) Posts: 1398 From: Birmingham, England Joined: |
Yeah, but those are all other people's toddlers, Dr A - they don't count :-/
Could there be any greater conceit, than for someone to believe that the universe has to be simple enough for them to be able to understand it ?
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Heathen Member (Idle past 1313 days) Posts: 1067 From: Brizzle Joined:
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Uh? Praying only works if you're praying in god's will - wtf does that mean?
It appears that Praying only works if you're praying for the thing that god was going to do anyway.
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Larni Member Posts: 4000 From: Liverpool Joined:
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Faith writes: I think most liberals are totally nave about the reality of threats to America. Did you know about 30 people are shot to death every day in America? I contend the greatest threat to America is another American with a gun.The above ontological example models the zero premise to BB theory. It does so by applying the relative uniformity assumption that the alleged zero event eventually ontologically progressed from the compressed alleged sub-microscopic chaos to bloom/expand into all of the present observable order, more than it models the Biblical record evidence for the existence of Jehovah, the maximal Biblical god designer. -Attributed to Buzsaw Message 53 The explain to them any scientific investigation that explains the existence of things qualifies as science and as an explanation-Attributed to Dawn Bertot Message 286 Does a query (thats a question Stile) that uses this physical reality, to look for an answer to its existence and properties become theoretical, considering its deductive conclusions are based against objective verifiable realities.-Attributed to Dawn Bertot Message 134
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