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DrJones*
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Message 632 of 662 (843993)
11-23-2018 5:41 PM
Reply to: Message 630 by ICANT
11-23-2018 4:19 PM


Re: Today's carry package:
The government says we can't control what a person does in their bedroom and neither will they control what goes on in my house.

of course they can, don't be an idiot. You can't murder someone just because you're doing it in your own house, neither could you traffic in drugs or produce child porn. It's you "I am the LAW" type of inbred cousin humpers that give the rest of us law abiding gun owners a bad name.

It's not enough to bash in heads, you've got to bash in minds
soon I discovered that this rock thing was true
Jerry Lee Lewis was the devil
Jesus was an architect previous to his career as a prophet
All of a sudden i found myself in love with the world
And so there was only one thing I could do
Was ding a ding dang my dang along ling long - Jesus Built my Hotrod Ministry
Live every week like it's Shark Week! - Tracey Jordan
Just a monkey in a long line of kings. - Matthew Good
If "elitist" just means "not the dumbest motherfucker in the room", I'll be an elitist! - Get Your War On
*not an actual doctor

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DrJones*
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Message 633 of 662 (843994)
11-23-2018 5:42 PM
Reply to: Message 629 by ICANT
11-23-2018 4:11 PM


Re: Today's carry package:
It has been illegal for civilians to own weapons that fire automatic all of my life.

and this is not true. Live in the right state, jump through the right hoops, pay an arm and a leg and you too can own a fully transferable class 3 firearm.

It's not enough to bash in heads, you've got to bash in minds
soon I discovered that this rock thing was true
Jerry Lee Lewis was the devil
Jesus was an architect previous to his career as a prophet
All of a sudden i found myself in love with the world
And so there was only one thing I could do
Was ding a ding dang my dang along ling long - Jesus Built my Hotrod Ministry
Live every week like it's Shark Week! - Tracey Jordan
Just a monkey in a long line of kings. - Matthew Good
If "elitist" just means "not the dumbest motherfucker in the room", I'll be an elitist! - Get Your War On
*not an actual doctor

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ICANT
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Message 634 of 662 (843999)
11-23-2018 7:36 PM
Reply to: Message 632 by DrJones*
11-23-2018 5:41 PM


Re: Today's carry package:
Hi Dr

Dr writes:

It's you "I am the LAW" type of inbred cousin humpers that give the rest of us law abiding gun owners a bad name.

I got a speeding ticket in 1956 I was doing 67 in a 55 zone.
I got a second speeding ticket in 1987. I was doing 83 in a 70 zone.
That is my entire rap sheet.

So maybe I am one of those law breakers you were talking about.

God Bless,


"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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ICANT
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Message 635 of 662 (844001)
11-23-2018 8:16 PM
Reply to: Message 633 by DrJones*
11-23-2018 5:42 PM


Re: Today's carry package:
Hi Dr

Dr writes:

and this is not true. Live in the right state, jump through the right hoops, pay an arm and a leg and you too can own a fully transferable class 3 firearm.

And just how many of those exemptions from the law been issued.
They are just exemption from the law. They do not change the law.

God Bless,


"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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DrJones*
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Message 636 of 662 (844002)
11-23-2018 8:24 PM
Reply to: Message 635 by ICANT
11-23-2018 8:16 PM


Re: Today's carry package:
They are just exemption from the law. They do not change the law.

wrong again. Look up the National Firearm Act. As long as you live in a state that allows it, pay the $200 tax and jump through the legal hoops set out by the ATF you can own a fully automatic firearm.

And just how many of those exemptions from the law been issued.

lots. Look up the Knob Creek machine gun shoot or any of the various class 3 dealers on the interweb.

It's not enough to bash in heads, you've got to bash in minds
soon I discovered that this rock thing was true
Jerry Lee Lewis was the devil
Jesus was an architect previous to his career as a prophet
All of a sudden i found myself in love with the world
And so there was only one thing I could do
Was ding a ding dang my dang along ling long - Jesus Built my Hotrod Ministry
Live every week like it's Shark Week! - Tracey Jordan
Just a monkey in a long line of kings. - Matthew Good
If "elitist" just means "not the dumbest motherfucker in the room", I'll be an elitist! - Get Your War On
*not an actual doctor

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DrJones*
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Message 637 of 662 (844003)
11-23-2018 8:26 PM
Reply to: Message 634 by ICANT
11-23-2018 7:36 PM


Re: Today's carry package:
Don't try to play coy, you're not clever enough for it. We both know that the context of the discussion was that if there was law that mandated that firearms be stored unloaded and secured that you'd disobey it, that you think you're above the law.

It's not enough to bash in heads, you've got to bash in minds
soon I discovered that this rock thing was true
Jerry Lee Lewis was the devil
Jesus was an architect previous to his career as a prophet
All of a sudden i found myself in love with the world
And so there was only one thing I could do
Was ding a ding dang my dang along ling long - Jesus Built my Hotrod Ministry
Live every week like it's Shark Week! - Tracey Jordan
Just a monkey in a long line of kings. - Matthew Good
If "elitist" just means "not the dumbest motherfucker in the room", I'll be an elitist! - Get Your War On
*not an actual doctor

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ringo
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Message 638 of 662 (844004)
11-23-2018 9:13 PM
Reply to: Message 630 by ICANT
11-23-2018 4:19 PM


Re: Today's carry package:
ICANT writes:

The government says we can't control what a person does in their bedroom and neither will they control what goes on in my house.


In fact, there are very few laws that you can break in your own house.

And our geese will blot out the sun.

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Percy
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Message 639 of 662 (844055)
11-24-2018 4:37 PM
Reply to: Message 622 by ICANT
11-22-2018 2:57 AM


Re: Today's carry package:
ICANT writes:

Percy writes:

I described meaningful approaches to stemming the flow of illegal immigrants - you ignored it.

I worked in a foreign country where I had to have a work permit that had to be renewed every year for a $1250 fee my employer had to pay. My employer was responsible for a place to stay, all medical expenses, all educational expenses and a living wage. Anyone caught using help that did not have a work permit was fined $50,000 per person for first offense. The fine doubled for every offense after that. Guess what, they did not have a second offense.

Put the lid on the cookie jar and they will either stay home or go somewhere else.

It's like you have no memory at all of prior discussion, even what is quoted for you. So you're giving up on the wall and are now advocating for exorbitant fines for anyone caught employing illegal immigrants?

Points you ignored:

  • You're still ignoring where I described meaningful approaches to stemming the flow of illegal immigrants in Message 591.

  • You were wrong to say someone at a gun show who knew he wouldn't pass a background check would purchase a gun from "the black market." He would of course purchase it from a private party.

  • You were wrong to imply that private sellers require booths to sell guns, as illustrated by this image:

  • You were wrong to imply that private sellers have no way perform background checks, as illustrated by this image:

  • You were wrong to state that Democrats want open borders and Republicans want closed borders. Neither want either.

  • You were wrong to state that a closed border is the border between legal entry points. That is not a closed border. An example of a closed border is that between North and South Korea. What we have between the US and Canada and between the US and Mexico are controlled borders. What they have between countries of the EU are open borders.

  • You were wrong to dispute that Trump is lying when he says Democrats are for open borders. He is clearly, obviously, overtly and purposefully lying.

You can barely make it through a sentence without saying something wrong or idiotic.

--Percy


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Capt Stormfield
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Message 640 of 662 (844057)
11-24-2018 4:50 PM
Reply to: Message 622 by ICANT
11-22-2018 2:57 AM


Re: Today's carry package:
...worked in a foreign country where I had to have a work permit that had to be renewed every year for a $1250 fee my employer had to pay. My employer was responsible for a place to stay, all medical expenses, all educational expenses and a living wage. Anyone caught using help that did not have a work permit was fined $50,000 per person for first offense.

Lots if government regulations, gov't mandated medical care and education, and a living wage. And you think this is a good thing? Congratulations, you are starting to become a liberal.


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Percy
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Message 641 of 662 (844058)
11-24-2018 4:52 PM
Reply to: Message 624 by ICANT
11-22-2018 4:23 PM


Re: Today's carry package:
ICANT writes:

Pressie writes:

That way it would be much more difficult for criminals to get their hands on guns.

Criminals do not obey laws so explain to me how gun control laws would make it more difficult for the criminals to get guns.

You just can't help yourself, can you. If there's a stupid position to be taken, even one that's already been clearly explained, you'll take it. In essence you're arguing that we should have no laws because criminals don't obey laws.

Laws are obeyed only by law abiding citizens.

Further on you say you don't believe you have to obey the law when you're in your own house. This is, of course, not true. I don't know what's more amazing, the volume of your false statements, or how obviously dumb and wrong they are.

If you're not obeying the law when you're at home then you're not a law abiding citizen.

--Percy


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Percy
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Message 642 of 662 (844059)
11-24-2018 5:06 PM
Reply to: Message 627 by ICANT
11-23-2018 3:08 PM


Re: Today's carry package:
ICANT writes:

My house is my castle. I make the rules that apply inside my house.

Good grief, the idiocy continues unabated. Try committing assault, murder, rape, possessing an automatic firearm, running a still, running a dog fighting ring, killing protected species, holding a party where you serve minors alcohol, running a poker game where the pot exceeds $10 (Florida law), stealing videos off the web, etc., etc., etc.

Your home may be your castle, but it is not your own legal jurisdiction.

--Percy


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Percy
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Message 643 of 662 (844062)
11-24-2018 5:49 PM
Reply to: Message 629 by ICANT
11-23-2018 4:11 PM


Re: Today's carry package:
ICANT writes:

Pressie writes:

Thoroughly investigate anyone trying to buy a gun of any kind. Make sure the guns are kept in safes where criminals can't steal them. Ban any civilian from owning assault weapons and/or machine guns. You need more?

That sounds simple doesn't it?

But how would you propose to investigate anyone trying to buy a gun of any kind?

They already do that if they are going through a licensed dealer.

You can't even be self-consistent from one sentence to the next. First you ask Pressie how he would thoroughly investigate anyone, as if that were a really difficult problem, then you say this is already done when guns are purchased through a federally licensed dealer, which just means a background check. And background checks are already available to anyone, as this image you've seen before shows:

Pressie might have meant something more intense than a simple background check when he said "thoroughly investigate," I don't know.

Garbage must have been flowing into your brain for a very long time, because we're only getting garbage out.

But if someone is buying from a gun runner there are no questions asked only cash exchanged for the weapon.

We have borders where guns can go back and forth across them like the wind blowing.

You're again arguing that because criminals break the law that we should have no laws. It was dumb the first time you said it and it's still dumb.

Pressie writes:

Make sure the guns are kept in safes where criminals can't steal them.

Thieves steal gold out of fort Knox.

My God, it just doesn't stop. Not only has no one has ever stolen gold from Fort Knox, it's never even been attempted.

So how do you propose to put a safe in a house that a thief can't steal them from?

Would you propose that cars not have locks because they can be broken into anyway? Of course not. So why would you propose that firearms not be safely locked away? Why do you not understand that a gun in the house increases the danger to those inside?

Pressie writes:

Ban any civilian from owning assault weapons and/or machine guns.

It has been illegal for civilians to own weapons that fire automatic all of my life.

Wrong again. Licenses are difficult to obtain, but civilians can obtain fully automatic weapons.

A machine gun is a weapon that fires automatic just pull the trigger and it will fire as long as you hold the trigger down. But if it is a belt fed and the belt is long enough you can melt the barrel.

What is the point of this irrelevant information?

I would not want to go to war with the AR15 or Ak47 semi-automatic that most want to classify as an assault weapon.

It doesn't matter what you call it. AR-15 style weapons are too dangerous for possession by the general public.

In fact I don't own but one semi-automatic weapon. A 1955 10 shot magazine in grip 22 cal. pistol. The sweetest thing I have ever shot.

I'll bet you can feel the dopamine and adrenaline just pumping into your brain just thinking about it.

I prefer pump action rifles and shotguns for long guns and revolvers for pistols.

The rest of us would prefer that you not be allowed anywhere near firearms. You're a menace.

Full automatic and semi-automatic weapons can jam and cost you, your life. I have never had a pump action fail to load and fire. Neither a revolver that refused to turn and fire the next bullet. You do have to maintain your tools for them to work properly.

Thank you for this additional irrelevant information.

Pressie writes:

You need more?

You haven't proposed anything yet to keep guns out of the hands of criminals.

Laws of any kind only affect what law abiding people do. Lawless people don't care what the law is.

I couldn't find precise numbers, but probably less than around 20% of people are killed by firearms wielded by criminals. Let's tackle the biggest problem first by passing strong gun control measures.

--Percy


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Percy
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Message 644 of 662 (844063)
11-24-2018 5:56 PM
Reply to: Message 630 by ICANT
11-23-2018 4:19 PM


Re: Today's carry package:
ICANT writes:

I would be abiding by the law in my house. As I said I make the rules that apply in my house.

Not satisfied with making this dumb statement once, you make it again, inconsistently this time, saying "law" in the first sentence and "rules" in the second.

You can have whatever rules of the house you like as long as you do not break any laws. You do not make the laws in your own house. You are not your own legal jurisdiction.

The government says we can't control what a person does in their bedroom...

You cannot assault or rape or break any other law, even if you're in your own bedroom. Michael Avenatti was just arrested a couple weeks ago on suspicion of domestic abuse while he was in his own apartment.

...and neither will they control what goes on in my house.

Do you really believe this crap that you write?

--Percy


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Tanypteryx
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Message 645 of 662 (844065)
11-24-2018 6:51 PM
Reply to: Message 630 by ICANT
11-23-2018 4:19 PM


Re: Today's carry package:
The government says we can't control what a person does in their bedroom

Actually, The People told the government, before the Supreme Court, that laws prohibiting certain sexual behavior between consenting adults in their own bedrooms were unconstitutional and The People won.


What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python

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If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq


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Pressie
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Message 646 of 662 (844156)
11-26-2018 6:32 AM
Reply to: Message 629 by ICANT
11-23-2018 4:11 PM


Re: Today's carry package:
Other people have answered you quite eloquently. I just want to comment on this:

ICANT writes:

... So how do you propose to put a safe in a house that a thief can't steal them from?

In our case my brother keeps his 2 hunting rifles in a police approved safe in the house where my wife and I live.

We live in a security village with a surrounding electric fence and 24 hour security guards at the only gate.

In our house the gun safe is bolted to the floor and to the wall. The safe has a combination lock and a normal key lock. One key is kept with my brother (living around 2 km away from the safe) and the other at our parents' house (also around 2 km away from the safe). I don't know the combination to the other lock and neither do my parents. Only my brother and his wife know the combination.

So, unless the criminals blow up the safe and are also able to open it, they won't be enabled to get hold of those hunting rifles at all.

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