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Even if no professed atheist said that no Christian is a "poser" the Christians still have martyrs and there is still no real evidenceconsistent with atheism/skepticism (which implies a high standard) that atheism exist.
You have yet to even respond to my post, which shows that atheists, just like Christians, sacrifice on behalf of their belief. That is exactly what martyrdom does. If you cannot refute it, then please stop using the same arguments.
I will repost my post in order for you to respond to it on point by point basis, if you cannot do this then please stop making the same tired arguments.
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Now first we have to consider that many Christians have been attacked suddenly. For example, rounded up by some religious authorities or civil authorities such a Rome (even though they were model citizens). In short, many martyrs did not choose martrydom it was imposed upon them if they did not recant.
They had a choice to recant. They therefore chose martyrdom.
But this is besides the point of my post. Don't you think it's ridiculous of me to say that these martyrs didn't actually believe in their religion? In the same way, it is ridiculous of you to say that people who devote their whole lives to atheist philosophy, i.e., defending it, elucidating it, being ostracized for it, etc., are not actually atheists.
Why would they put up this front if they were not atheists? Why would they sacrific prodigous amounts of time defending it against bigots, out themselves from family and friends, cause mental anguish amongst their religous family and friends, proselytize their beliefs, be the subject of Q&A sessions everytime someone finds out their beliefs, give up social acceptance, give up eternal life with God, and, in the case of my friend, choose not to deny his atheism and give up a relationship with his Catholic girlfriend who he loved very much?
This is the main point of my last post that you failed to address. You declared that sacrific on behalf of one's belief is proof that they are sincere. Do atheists not sacrifice on behalf of their beliefs?
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Next, people might deny there is a God out of anger, rebellion, or for a multitude of reasons.
So atheists sacrific large parts of their lives because they are angry with God, etc. Do you have any evidence that their are atheists who lack a belief in God for this reason? And I don't think testimonials of ex-atheists are good evidence, since the testimonials are subject to ad hoc rationalizations based on their current belief system, and is not necessarily indicative on their views while they were atheists. Can you give me an example of an atheist who lacks a belief in God out of anger? I'm not necessarily disagreeing with this, I'm just curious whether you have any examples.
People may deny the nonexistance of a magical being because they are afraid of the conclusions that might follow. Can you provide me with some evidence that martyrs you cited weren't in denial, the same way you claim atheists are in denial?
If you cite that fact that they sacrificed for their beliefs, why doesn't the atheist's personal sacrifice measure up?
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2. Human history is replete with human corruptness. The Bible says men are corrupt and concurs and furthermore says men are rebelling against a good God. Individuals who are rebellious would sometimes be expected to write against there being no God even when there is a God.
I do not accept the Bible as a book that accurately reflecting human nature. What the Bible says about this subject means absolutely nothing to me.
Humans have been corrupt throughout history, as you say. But there has always been an incentive, such as money, power, lust, etc. What's the incentive for atheism? Being bigoted? Being tortured for eternity for unbelief?
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3. Atheism/skepticism implies a high standard of proof. Presenting low quality information like you have repeatedly tried is inconsistent.
How is it low quality? It is the same type of proof you gave supporting the proposal that Christians exist. If you don't think sacrifice on behalf of one's belief is evidence they are sincere, then you have not shown that Christians exist.
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