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Author Topic:   There is no such thing as The Bible
Nighttrain
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Message 4 of 305 (57877)
09-25-2003 9:38 PM
Reply to: Message 3 by Brian
09-25-2003 5:47 PM


Death of Infallibility
Hi, Brian. One wonders at the foundations of bible-believing folk once we start to delve into the purity of scripture. Apart from the varieties stated ,we have the multiple versions of the 'Old Testament'compiled by Origen. Not content with comparing six existing versions in the Hexapla, I believe it is understood that Origen produced another compilation with seven and eight columns. While the Hexapla may have carried Greek and Hebrew versions for different audiences, one would imagine that there was a fair degree of difference between all of these to warrant inclusion.
Then, of course, we have the celebrated tale of Rabbi Akiva at Jamnia (circa 100A.D.), fighting for the inclusion of the Song of Songs in a volume already subject to considerable amendation.
To muddy the waters further, we find translators of the Qumran (should that be Succaca)Scrolls finding their texts 'sometimes following the Septuagint, sometimes the Masoretic Text, sometimes following neither' (Eisenmann?--my library is in storage a thousand miles away).
Even the debate between John Burgon and Westcott/Hort over the Western/Neutral/Alexandrian Texts only serves to add to the confusion when we find that those stalwarts of the RV school-Sinaiticus and Vaticanus don`t agree with each other.
To sum up, I suppose we can say purity is in the mind of the beholder :-P

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Nighttrain
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Message 10 of 305 (57931)
09-26-2003 3:58 AM
Reply to: Message 8 by Joralex
09-26-2003 12:28 AM


Josh McDowell? snuffle gag mumpf.At least you never mentioned Jim Bakker.

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Message 129 of 305 (242143)
09-10-2005 9:51 PM
Reply to: Message 126 by Chiroptera
09-10-2005 4:29 PM


Re: What?
'If the KJV was good enough for Jesus, it`s good enough for me.'Anon Fundy.
"If English was good enough for Jesus Christ, it's good enough for us." - former Texas Governor Miriam Ferguson, on barring foreign language teaching

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Nighttrain
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Message 207 of 305 (246200)
09-24-2005 11:27 PM
Reply to: Message 206 by akldema
09-24-2005 9:40 PM


Re: The Bible
Hi, Akldema, and welcome.
To clear something up as Christians we are called to shed light onto all non-Christians
Stick around on EvC and you might find the reverse.
Secondly the text within the covers of your AV are inspired.
And which, precisely, is the Authorised Version?
Given that the only mention of 'inspiration'of Scriptures is a relatively minor epistle that just made the cut, don`t you think it a tad presumptious to claim that for the whole Bible? Especially when it goes on to say 'helpful'or 'profitable', not sacrosanct.

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Nighttrain
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Message 218 of 305 (246359)
09-25-2005 7:14 PM
Reply to: Message 217 by tsig
09-25-2005 5:14 PM


Re: The Light comes
And when 'darkness descended upon the earh', who was the sparkie who did the wiring? :-P

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Nighttrain
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Message 269 of 305 (248702)
10-03-2005 7:51 PM
Reply to: Message 260 by Steve8
10-03-2005 12:43 AM


Re: disputes over the text
Let's focus on the Gospels first, seeing as you mentioned them.
Gospel of Matthew - An early church father, Papias, writing about AD 130 said that "Matthew [the apostle] wrote down the oracles in the aramaic language."
Gospel of Mark - According to Papias (AD 140), [John] Mark was the disciple and interpreter of Peter [the apostle], and affirms that he wrote this Gospel.
Minor nit-pick. Eusebius (c.300) wrote that Papias said that. We don`t have Papias` work apart from some rather dodgy fragments.
Fragment 10:'Mary, mother of James the Less and Joseph-----was the sister of Mary, the mother of the Lord.' Two Marys in the one family?
Fragments of Papias

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Nighttrain
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Message 293 of 305 (249263)
10-05-2005 8:36 PM
Reply to: Message 289 by arachnophilia
10-05-2005 4:59 PM


Re: disputes over the text
which is in iraq." when that particular tower was built, it sure wasn't called iraq. so seeing references to chaldeans is not suprising
Same goes for post-Flood references in Gen :2
13: Ethiopia
14:Assyria/Asshur
14:Euphrates
Either these areas/cultures survived the Flood, or Moses (or whoever) is relating the creation tale to contemporaries using current terms.
Which either means the Garden of Eden was created post-Flood, or Genesis isn`t chronological.
Which means----- I think I`m getting a headache

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