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Topic: Origin of Gods word
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jar
Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 5 of 200 (112568)
06-03-2004 4:18 AM
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Reply to: Message 4 by almeyda
06-03-2004 3:25 AM
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Almeyda Absolutely nothing in your cut and past list adds any authority or validity to the Bible. Some examples.
- Written over 1,500 yr span What does that have to do with anything? It is also true about the Authur legends.
-Written by over 40 authors from all walks of life: What does that have to do with anything? It is also true about the Authur legends.
Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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jar
Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 20 of 200 (113378)
06-07-2004 6:18 PM
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Reply to: Message 18 by almeyda
06-07-2004 4:22 AM
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How about one that predates the Bible, that the authors of the bible would know about where God dies and three days later is reborn. Sound familiar?
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jar
Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 23 of 200 (113435)
06-07-2004 11:08 PM
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Reply to: Message 22 by almeyda
06-07-2004 11:07 PM
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Of course.
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jar
Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 28 of 200 (113457)
06-07-2004 11:41 PM
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Reply to: Message 24 by almeyda
06-07-2004 11:19 PM
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Take a look at the Sumerian legends of Inanna (and while there, notice the resemblance of Inanna's knot to a crossier). Remember, this is the same source for much that was included in Genesis, particularly relating to the flood and ark. There is yet another link you should examine. There is a Phoenician legend relating to Baal where he dies and is dead for forty days and forty nights before being resurrected.
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jar
Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Harsh there WT. Not even I go that far. I just say Thank God I'm not a fundy. 
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jar
Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 32 of 200 (113493)
06-08-2004 1:26 AM
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Reply to: Message 31 by almeyda
06-08-2004 1:00 AM
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Only you call the Bible Historical and the Mythical. Did it fulfill prophecies? Probably as well as the Bible, but that's a pretty low hurdle to cross. And as I told you, check Inanna. Dead for three days and then rose from the dead.
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jar
Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 69 of 200 (146250)
09-30-2004 7:23 PM
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Reply to: Message 67 by Trump won
09-30-2004 7:12 PM
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Chris Do us a favor and look at the section that mentions Exodus. Does it say "It happened" or that "Judaic doctrine relates the story of the Exodus?" edited to add: Okay, you answered my question while I was posting. So the book is not saying that it happened, only refering to what the Torah says happened. I thought that would be the case. This message has been edited by jar, 09-30-2004 06:25 PM
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jar
Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 73 of 200 (146262)
09-30-2004 7:32 PM
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Reply to: Message 72 by Trump won
09-30-2004 7:31 PM
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Not at all. It is simply repeating what the Judaic mythology says.
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jar
Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 84 of 200 (146283)
09-30-2004 7:48 PM
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Reply to: Message 75 by Trump won
09-30-2004 7:35 PM
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But it's not being taught as happening, but only that they included it in their mythology. What the textbook is saying is that the Judaic book, the Torah, includes the story of the exodus. It is saying that the authors believed it happened.
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jar
Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 87 of 200 (146304)
09-30-2004 8:36 PM
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Reply to: Message 86 by Trump won
09-30-2004 8:17 PM
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Actually, no, not really. Let'slook at it again:
Early History of the Israelites Early in history, the Israelites, or Hebrews, came to believe that God was taking a hand in their lives. As a result, they recorded events and laws in the Torah, their most sacred text. A Nomadic People According to the Torah, a man named Abraham lived near Ur in Mesopatamia. About 2000 B.C., he and his family migrated, herding their sheep and goats into a region called Canaan.* Abraham is considered the founder of the Israelite Nation. The Book of Genesis tells that a famine later forced many Israelites to migrate to Egypt. There, they were eventually enslaved. In time, Moses led the Israelites in their escape, or exodus, they entered Canaan, the land they believed God had promised them. "According to the Torah..." and "The Book of Genesis tells..." are qualifying statements. They are saying that what follows is what is asserted by the books. Including it in "Civilizations Origins" is not stating that the events in the narative actually happened, but that things like the Torah or Greek Mythology, or the Authurian Legend or the the Egyptian Mythos are part of what goes into defining a civilization. No people or civilization can be seperated from their mythos. Take some time and read the works of Joseph Campbell.
Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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jar
Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 92 of 200 (146323)
09-30-2004 8:58 PM
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Reply to: Message 88 by Trump won
09-30-2004 8:42 PM
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As a historian you use written documents to discover history. Written documents are one thing that is used, but not a very reliable means until verified by other things, ruins, pottery, tools, multiple written sources, geology, remains. And this is where the Bible has some problems. Many, many of the historical accounts simply are not borne out by other evidence. In addition, so many of the stories seem to be rewrites of earlier mythology.
Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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jar
Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 104 of 200 (146648)
10-01-2004 10:43 PM
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Reply to: Message 100 by Trump won
10-01-2004 10:20 PM
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My point was that sometimes that's all they have. This thread is on the Origin of God's word, IOW, the Bible. Fortunately, when it comes to the Bible there is lots of other evidence, or lack of evidence where there should be evidence. Some things can be confirmed, many others are unsupported and many of the key things in the Bible such as the creation story, the flood, the Exodus have no outside support and there is a large body of refuting evidence.
Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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jar
Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 116 of 200 (146722)
10-02-2004 10:11 AM
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Reply to: Message 114 by almeyda
10-02-2004 5:43 AM
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Well surely the 7-day week is science and not consistent with scientific knowledge known at the time. Why do you think a 7 day week is science? Calendars are only an arbitrary division, an accounting artifact. Why is a seven day week more scientific than a 14 day week, or a 10 day week,or a 4 day week? It is true that a 4 day, 7 day or 14 day week lines up better with a lunar calendar, but what possible scientific basis is there to pick one of those over another?
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jar
Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 120 of 200 (146762)
10-02-2004 2:45 PM
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Reply to: Message 119 by almeyda
10-02-2004 2:37 PM
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That our premeval homosapien ape-men where geniuses or that God gave man a time-dimension/framework. Based upon consistent astronomical observations not known at the time. Are you saying that early man couldn't see the moon? And what factor of a 7 day week corresponds to science or the universe better than any other choice?
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jar
Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 133 of 200 (146976)
10-03-2004 10:43 AM
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Reply to: Message 123 by Trump won
10-02-2004 5:04 PM
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In using common sense if the Israelites were no longer in Egypt there must have been an exodus right? Do you have any evidence that - there were Hebrews in Egypt before whatever date is assigned to the Exodus.
- that there we no Hebrews in Egypt after whatever date is assigned to the Exodus.
Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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