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crashfrog
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Message 138 of 200 (146997)
10-03-2004 2:01 PM
Reply to: Message 136 by doctrbill
10-03-2004 1:54 PM


Lunar observations, i.e. the 'science' of the moon-god, was vital to establishment of the ancient calendar.
Do you think they would have noticed or found it significant, though, if they hadn't also noticed that the women were bleeding every 28 days as well?
I don't think you can discount menstruation in the development of the calendar.
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crashfrog
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Message 153 of 200 (147343)
10-04-2004 11:10 PM
Reply to: Message 139 by doctrbill
10-03-2004 2:22 PM


But you can predict, with great accuracy and far into the future, phases of the moon.
Right, but who would give a damn? Why on Earth would anyone find the phases of the moon significant enough to model?
I believe the single most important effect of the moon, and the consequent impetus for predicting moon phase, is its connection to changes in sea level and the importance of those changes in relation to the business of travel and transport by sea.
But the development of the calendar predates sea travel.

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crashfrog
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Message 160 of 200 (147616)
10-05-2004 5:30 PM
Reply to: Message 158 by doctrbill
10-05-2004 3:46 PM


We don't really know when the first lunar calendar was created but we can be sure that predicting the tide is more important than predicting PMS.
You seem pretty sure that it was a man who invented the calendar. Do you think that maybe women might have a vested interest in predicting when a load of blood was going to issue from their bodies?
Predicting the tide or the phase of the moon in a non-seafaring civilization is somehow more important than predicting when your women are going to have difficulty hunting for food or are going to be the target of predation? I'm surprised that you don't recognize the significance of mensturation to a hunter-gathering people.

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crashfrog
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Message 162 of 200 (147709)
10-06-2004 2:13 AM
Reply to: Message 161 by doctrbill
10-05-2004 7:57 PM


You cannot accurately predict the onset of menstruaton.
I disagree. My wife does it with considerable faculty. How, otherwise, would women know if their periods are late or not?
Women are not incapacitated by menstruation.
In a world of tampons and sanitary pads, no, they're not.
Hungry Lions don't care what time of the month it is.
You don't think the release of blood would have repercussions for predators that hunt by smell?
The most direct, dramatic, and eternal phenomenon in our relationship with the moon is the Tide.
I'm going to presume, by your username, that I'm having this conversation with one who does not mensturate. Not that I do, either.
Even today, with well published tide tables, sailors, ships and beachcomers are lost, for failing to note the tide.
That hardly has any relevance for the origin of calendars in non-seafaring cultures. What is the relevance of tides to a mountain peoples, for instance?
Mensturation is the only 28-day cycle common to all humans, not just some.

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crashfrog
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Message 165 of 200 (147794)
10-06-2004 12:40 PM
Reply to: Message 163 by doctrbill
10-06-2004 10:33 AM


On the other hand, sailors can know, many years in advance, when the tide will turn. That is the ultimate beauty of predicting the movements of the moon.
They can do that now, yes.
But we're talking about the time before writing, before numbers, before mathematics of any kind. What we're talking about is people making notches on sticks.
You've got the timeframe way wrong.
A little blood running down ones leg
I don't believe that most women would agree that their flow constitutes "a little blood." Apparently you've got all your ideas about menstrual flow from tampon ads. Hint - it's not a clear blue liquid.
Predators know that there is blood in us. They don't have to actually smell it in order to find us attractive.
If you can't offer a substantial rebuttal, please offer none at all.
Do you know of such a culture which independantly created a calendar of their own?
The Azteks kept some pretty accurate calendars. Do you believe they did so for the benefit of non-existent Aztek sailors?
This cycle is not something upon which one can base an accurate calendar
Are we arguing about two differnent things? It appears so. You're hung up on the development of accurate, predictive calendars. I'm talking about the invention of keeping track of time.
All one really need do is count the days.
Yes, DB. That's the point. Menstruation was the stimulation for humans to begin counting days. Hence, the invention of calendars.

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crashfrog
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Message 168 of 200 (147890)
10-06-2004 6:25 PM
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10-06-2004 6:19 PM


I thought we were talking about development of the lunar calendar and it's relation to the seven day week.
I was talking about the invention of timekeeping.
What makes you think the Aztek did no sailing?
Because they lived in the mountains and built no boats?

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