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Message 661 of 936 (808439)
05-10-2017 7:26 PM
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05-10-2017 6:58 PM


Re: A definition of Evolution
Evolution is the official personal information manager for GNOME. It combines e-mail, address book, calendar, task list and note-taking features. Its user interface and functionality is similar to Microsoft Outlook. Evolution is free software licensed under the terms of the GNU Lesser General Public License (LGPL).

What predictions can that hodge-podge produce?

This is thread is for definitions of Evolution. You don't need to argue about whether it is a valid theory or not.

But for the science forum it has to be scientific and produce useful predictions. Let's at least try to be scientific here.

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Message 662 of 936 (808489)
05-11-2017 7:50 AM


Intelligent design proponent David Klinghoffer (2016) claims that intelligent design is a theory of evolution, seeking to explain why biological diversity flowers and grows in the manner it does. Its just not Darwins theory of evolution.
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Message 663 of 936 (808490)
05-11-2017 7:58 AM
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But there is no evidence of a designer
CRR writes:

Intelligent design proponent David Klinghoffer (2016) claims that intelligent design is a theory of evolution, seeking to explain why biological diversity flowers and grows in the manner it does. Its just not Darwins theory of evolution.

Yet Klinghoffer, like all the folk trying to market ID, has never offered any evidence of any designer, intelligent or otherwise. He may claim ID is a Theory but at best it might rise to the level of a hypothesis; most often it is simply a fantasy.


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Message 664 of 936 (808519)
05-11-2017 10:55 AM
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CRR writes:

Intelligent design proponent David Klinghoffer (2016) claims that intelligent design is a theory of evolution, seeking to explain why biological diversity flowers and grows in the manner it does. Its just not Darwins theory of evolution.

The problem is that all he has is claims and no evidence.


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Message 665 of 936 (808662)
05-12-2017 5:07 AM
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05-10-2017 11:07 AM


Re: Part of the problem?
If you want to learn more about the fossil record, read creationist science.
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Message 666 of 936 (808664)
05-12-2017 5:46 AM
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05-12-2017 5:07 AM


Nearly extinct
Dredge writes:

If you want to learn more about the fossil record, read creationist science.

Do you advise this on the basis that living fossils declaiming from pulpits should understand long dead ones found in rocks?


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Message 667 of 936 (808689)
05-12-2017 9:07 AM
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05-12-2017 5:07 AM


Re: Part of the problem?
If you want to learn more about the fossil record, read creationist science.

If you want to learn more about the fossil record, try a few years in graduate school (I did just that).

If you want to see the exact opposite of real science, a 180 perversion of real science, read creation "science."


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Message 668 of 936 (808850)
05-14-2017 6:25 AM
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05-12-2017 9:07 AM


Re: Part of the problem?
In graduate school, all you'll get is the fossil record according to the atheist cult of Darwinism.

Pierre-P. Grasse: "Assuming that the Darwinian hypothesis ... [paleontologists then] interpret fossil data according to it .... The error in their method is obvious."


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Message 669 of 936 (808869)
05-14-2017 9:03 AM
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05-14-2017 6:25 AM


Re: Part of the problem?
In graduate school, all you'll get is the fossil record according to the atheist cult of Darwinism.

So we have a conspiracy theory, where all the paleontologists around the world are agreeing to a fake interpretation ... just to annoy creationists.

Does this also include the molecular geneticists doing all that DNA testing and comparisons between species that somehow end up with the same tree of life pattern as that fake fossil conspiracy crowd produced?

Maybe the geologists that do the analysis on the rocks to determine their relative ages ...?

And the physicists that do the radiometric testing to determine more absolute ages ... ?

Is a significant portion of the whole scientific world involved in some grand conspiracy for the sole purpose of annoying a few creationists?

Inquiring minds want to know.

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Message 670 of 936 (808873)
05-14-2017 9:57 AM
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05-14-2017 6:25 AM


The problem is Creationist misrepresentation.
Dredge writes:

In graduate school, all you'll get is the fossil record according to the atheist cult of Darwinism.

There is no such thing as "the atheist cult of Darwinism" except in the writings from the Christian Cult of Ignorance.

Evolution is a fact & the Theory of Evolution is the only explanation for the diversity of life seen today and in the past.

Creationism offers no explanation at all. Even the basic source for Creationism, the Bible stories, contain two mutually exclusive creation myths. They differ in the order of creation, the method of creation and in the characteristics of the creator. If one is accurate then the other by definition is false.

In addition simply claiming some creator has no explanatory power or worth. It is simply a claim of magic.

Evolution refers to biological change over time.

There is evidence that biological life forms did change over time.

There is NO evidence though of any creator, any special creation or any recent creation.


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Message 671 of 936 (808879)
05-14-2017 10:26 AM
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05-14-2017 6:25 AM


Re: Creation "science"
In graduate school, all you'll get is the fossil record according to the atheist cult of Darwinism.

In graduate school we had a bone lab with casts of all the major fossils, along with skeletons of humans and most of the primates. We were able to check the data for ourselves. This is the exact opposite of what creationists do.

Pierre-P. Grasse: "Assuming that the Darwinian hypothesis ... [paleontologists then] interpret fossil data according to it .... The error in their method is obvious."

Grasse died in 1895, and according to Wiki "He was an expert on termites and one of the last proponents of neo-Lamarckian evolution."

Not exactly your most current and authoritative source, but its just like creationists to go back in time looking for anything that they can quote mine to try and make the theory of evolution go away.

If creationists actually had evidence for their claims they wouldn't have to spend all their time arguing against evolution.


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"Multiculturalism" demands that the US be tolerant of everything except its own past, culture, traditions, and identity.

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Message 672 of 936 (808891)
05-14-2017 3:07 PM
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05-14-2017 6:25 AM


Re: Part of the problem?
Dredge writes:

Pierre-P. Grasse: "Assuming that the Darwinian hypothesis ... [paleontologists then] interpret fossil data according to it .... The error in their method is obvious."

Yikes. I had to look that one up. You quote-mined a guy that died in the 19th century? I'm tempted to say that that's a new low, but I know better.

Have you really run out of anything sensible to say?


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Message 673 of 936 (809189)
05-16-2017 6:17 PM
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05-14-2017 10:26 AM


Re: Creation "science"
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Grasse died in 1895

Er, no; you got that slightly wrong ... he was born in 1895! He died in 1985.

Pierre-Paul was a zoologist and was highly esteemed by his peers. He was at one point President of the French Academy of Sciences, was the author of over 300 publications and received many official honours for his contributions to science.


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Message 674 of 936 (809190)
05-16-2017 6:23 PM
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Re: Part of the problem?
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You mine-quoted a guy that died in the nineteenth century?

Wrong (see post # 673). And you've obviously missed the irony here - your messiah, Charles Darwin, died in the nineteenth century, yet you see no problem in quoting him! The pot just called the kettle, black.


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Message 675 of 936 (809194)
05-16-2017 7:10 PM
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05-16-2017 6:23 PM


Re: Part of the problem?
Wrong (see post # 673). And you've obviously missed the irony here - your messiah, Charles Darwin, died in the nineteenth century, yet you see no problem in quoting him!

Havin' a little competition with yourself there to see what's the dumbest thing you can write?


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