What makes so many people hate God

Okay thanx. I was impressed with Chara myself. ------------------
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Originally posted by Mammuthus:
...but just in case it gets out of hand..the undergarment comments can be brought to action Best wishes,
Mammuthus

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down boy, down!! heheheheh

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Originally posted by funkmasterfreaky:
Okay thanx. I was impressed with Chara myself.

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good thing eh?

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Originally posted by funkmasterfreaky:
Okay thanx. I was impressed with Chara myself.

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I would just like to point out that the words were not my words, but Scripture quoted from the books of Romans and 2 Timothy. The kudos belong to God. I was just the messenger.

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I oopsed!I think the only reason i calmed down is because of chara.
IM SORRY JOHN.
(can i still call you a jerk tho?) i was having fun doing it lol.
OK OK SO I WON'T
i'm sorry everyone you had to read my posts. i for got everyone could read them. (is that a good excuse?).>i hope so.
i think i just hate people in general...does that mean i have a problem. (I hope not). I still have a lot to learn about debating.
Hey, isn't debaiting when you take the worm off the fish hook?! LOL
Yep i guess i'm already a professional De-Baiter .lol ha ha ha.
Well..it's getting to the point i cannot stand myself some days.
If there is a God, I only wish He could show some sign to someone ,so we will all know. I hope chara can pray down some fire for me to see. I would really like that. It would show certain people He really is REAL !
TOOTLES ALL. eh you too John

Sorry,
I forgot to ask chara one more question..
/chara, one time john said there was no god,and no heaven or a hell, but all i have to ask is this: IF it is real, how do i get to go to heaven? Because John is scareing me really bad! Is what he said really true?
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If i were smart, i wouldn't be in here!

I said i was sorry John.
Please forgive me ok?
kiss !
ellen ------------------
If i were smart, i wouldn't be in here!

LL,What a privilege to share with you the good news! Paul writes in Romans 1:16, I am not ashamed of the good news of Christ, for it is God's power working unto salvation to everyone who believes.Does God exist? Absolutely! He exists and he loves you, so much that He worked together with His Son Jesus to make a way for you, me and all those who believe to spend eternity with Him. ~~~ So let it be clearly known by you, that through Jesus forgiveness is now proclaimed to you; and that through Him everyone who believes [who acknowledges Jesus as his Savior and devotes himself to Him] is absolved from every charge and given right standing with God. (Acts 13:38,39)~~~LL, I am quite sure that there will be posts after this refuting what I have said. God has created you as a free agent, able to choose ... ask Him to reveal the truth to Your heart.

Thanks Chara,
You are ever so smart Chara!
I wish i was too.
I promise i will say that verse every day from now on!
You don't know how happy you made me feel. Because i really do
believe that somewere there is a Real God who loves me!
And you just proved it to me.
Hugs :0
ellen[This message has been edited by :j: Lizard Lips, 11-22-2002][This message has been edited by :j: Lizard Lips, 11-22-2002]

John. Again i'm going to have to eat that humble pie and say i was wrong. Now not wrong in what i meant to say but wrong in what i said, somewhere a way back in this thread i made a claim to the effect of God dictating the bible to man. This is not what i meant I meant inspired by God. Now I hear a plea to "how can you decide if it's inspired of God?" This is a valid response after all how would you? I don't profess to know. But here is a thought on how they may have based some of it on. The O.T was a very carefully taken care of scripture. The Jews had people who's lives where dedicating to maintaining, recopying, even counting syllybles of the scriptures to maintain that they stay correct. Most of the early Christians were jews and knew the O.T very well. It was the basis of everything "the Law" you learned it as a child memorized and studied, these people had a pretty good concept of who God is (they were God's people)giving them a good basis to decide which of the new epistles and letters were in sync with the God they knew through jewish law and history. So again i am appealing to the fact that they are experts on this whole scripture from God thing. Their very blood contained years and years of divine influence.Now, that very wordily and poorly said. I am saying that there may be a few numbers off maybe a few syllables missing, some fogginess between the odd scripture. But I believe God has preserved the content he desired. The history of man, so we can see that it's not getting any better. An account that gives us the traits of God establishing his holiness and awesome power, so that we know what God is like. And the message of how we can be reconciled to him. This has not been lost and is very much still there.
As far as these internal discrepencies i haven't found anything to shatter my faith. Most kept on such lists have been explained very well without the use of a concordance, just using a bible, and are only kept on the list to add some bulk.
You made a comment saying you get annoyed when Christians who have not studied the bible try to defend it. Valid statement i don't know my bible as well as i should and i make some bold claims that i can't back sufficiently alot. This discussion forum has made me really look at that. I really am trying to be careful about what i say instead of spewing Christian cliches that i don't even know what they are implying. I stand corrected
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Originally posted by funkmasterfreaky:
The O.T was a very carefully taken care of scripture. The Jews had people who's lives where dedicating to maintaining, recopying, even counting syllybles of the scriptures to maintain that they stay correct.

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Do you have a source for this? It sounds like apology to me, no offense. It also contradicts the internal textual evidence that the OT was edited, rewritten, and hacked to death.

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Most of the early Christians were jews and knew the O.T very well.

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Well, it certainly started out as a jewish cult. But notice that within a short time it became predominantly gentile. I suspect that this is because it DOES NOT track very well with Jewish law, despite the NT protestations to the contrary. Jesus and the disciples wrecked Jewish law while claiming to 'fulfill' it. I'm not surprised that Jew are still waiting for Messiach.

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It was the basis of everything "the Law" you learned it as a child memorized and studied, these people had a pretty good concept of who God is (they were God's people)giving them a good basis to decide which of the new epistles and letters were in sync with the God they knew through jewish law and history.

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But these very early Jewish converts were not the ones to choose among the epistles and the letters. This was done two or more centuries later by gentile converts-- ex-pagans if you will, even practicing pagans in at least one case.

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Now, that very wordily and poorly said.

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Nah... not bad at all.

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As far as these internal discrepencies i haven't found anything to shatter my faith.

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Never underestimate the power o' faith eh?

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Valid statement i don't know my bible as well as i should and i make some bold claims that i can't back sufficiently alot. This discussion forum has made me really look at that.

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Despite what some here believe, I care more about getting people to think about things than I care about changing anyones's mind. Actually, I care most about people forcing me to think about things.

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Oh and no John i don't hate the wicked witch of the west. How can i hate something that doesn't exist?

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[QUOTE]Originally posted by John:
[B][QUOTE]Originally posted by funkmasterfreaky:Well, it certainly started out as a jewish cult. But notice that within a short time it became predominantly gentile. I suspect that this is because it DOES NOT track very well with Jewish law, despite the NT protestations to the contrary. Jesus and the disciples wrecked Jewish law while claiming to 'fulfill' it. I'm not surprised that Jew are still waiting for Messiah.
[/B][/QUOTE]for the record, Jesus came to fulfill the law in the sense that thru him all law has been satisfied.. the gospel message is, among other things, that the law is dead and we are dead to the law... paul explains why the law was given and when (and why) it is no longer necessaryeven in the very early days, jews didn't understand this, they couldn't see how grace alone was sufficient... they asked the same question millions ask today, "can't i save myself even a little?"... this led to a schism between some very influential people within the christian community, most notably being james the brother of Jesus and paul... this goes a long way in explaining why gentiles made up and make up the majority in the christian church... they don't have the same hang-ups regarding the law, thus seem (some) to understand how it isn't applicable to the christian lifeif you want me to i'll be glad to discuss the purpose of the law and why it isn't even a factor any longer...

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Originally posted by forgiven:
for the record, Jesus came to fulfill the law in the sense that thru him all law has been satisfied..

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I know the dogma, forgiven.

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the gospel message is, among other things, that the law is dead and we are dead to the law... paul explains why the law was given and when (and why) it is no longer necessary

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Right. The GOSPEL message... My contention is that this message does not track well with anything in the OT, from which this message is supposed to have been deived. And that this is why it never took a strong hold among Jews. Notice, even, that the person you have explaining this is writing some century plus after the fact and isn't a Jew.

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even in the very early days, jews didn't understand this, they couldn't see how grace alone was sufficient...

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Why should they? It is contrary to the core of their religion. That such a radical alteration is a 'fulfilling' is weird, bordering on irrational.[qutoe]they asked the same question millions ask today, "can't i save myself even a little?"...[/quote]The whole of Jewish religion was based upon works and results in the here and now. Suddenly, this is fulfilled via being completely turned on its head? With, in fact, NO precidents in the OT?

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this led to a schism between some very influential people within the christian community, most notably being james the brother of Jesus and paul...

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So who was right?

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this goes a long way in explaining why gentiles made up and make up the majority in the christian church... they don't have the same hang-ups regarding the law, thus seem (some) to understand how it isn't applicable to the christian life

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Well, pretty much my point though skewed towards the positive side.

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if you want me to i'll be glad to discuss the purpose of the law and why it isn't even a factor any longer...

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OK. Maybe another thread though. This is over 200 posts already.------------------
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