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I disagree.

Dan Carroll quote:
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If you were to raise specific cases of these university justifications/whitewashing, and show how their logic is fallacious, and then show how it parallels Nazi behavior, it would go a long way towards that goal.
______________________________________________________________________Are you saying that you are unaware of university professors justifying Palestinian suicide bombings ?IF you are then I would ask rhetorically "What planet have you been living on in the last couple years ?"If you are indeed aware of university professor rationales, then you are asking for some link substance in order to argue that their statements are justified, but in this case the fact that the rationales exist is not an issue.If you are saying the rationales do not exist unless evidenced, then, if I do show they exist, then I have been debating a person that is extremely naieve to current events.Fact: Israel has vehement worldwide opposition. The conflict has extremists on both sides. The extremists against Israel include university professors. These professors justify suicide bombings.How is any of this a stretch ?To continue: Nazi's were very educated and they justified the murder of Jews and they murdered Jews.Logical Link: We have two groups of ultra-educated persons (Nazi's/certain university professors)Common Denominator: Both groups justified/justify the murder of Jews.These university professors in no way see themselves as Nazi's, yet, if a Nazi is well educated and justifies the murder of Jews (and they are) THEN this definition perfectly fits these university professors.

I never said "small group" or "large group" or "all university professors". IF I did then show me where.Trixie quote:
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I note that you say THE highly educated, not SOME OF THE or A SMALL MINORITY OF. By implication you are talking about ALL of them.
______________________________________________________________________I respectfully accuse you of not paying attention to what I am arguing. (this is better than me accusing you of deliberate misrepresentation)When I said/say "highly educated" it was always in the context of CERTAIN university professors, meaning the ones I am speaking about, meaning the ones who justify Palestinian suicide bombings.There can be no implication that I am talking about all of them, because I have laboriously specified that I am referring to the ones who justify the suicide bombings/terror.Why or how could I include ALL, that would be ridiculous, you have obviously grossly misunderstood.Trixie quote:
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define what highly educated professor means
______________________________________________________________________Any person who has attained educational credentials that earn him/her the right to be called professor.I then assume anyone who is in fact a professor is in fact highly educated.

This Admin intrusion has taken Dan off the hook.Maybe Dan will be a sport and answer post 93 anyway.In any case:Anti- Israel Professors :: Reader comments at Daniel PipesSpeaking from the radical end of campus :: Reader comments at Daniel PipesWhich side really wears the mask of Nazism? :: Reader comments at Daniel Pipeshttp://archives.econ.utah.edu/...a-list/2002w38/msg00169.htm— - ’ http://www.jewishworldreview.com/0502/wisse1.asphttp://www.jewishpress.com/news_article.asp?article=2727Note: These links are submitted in the context of post number 93.

Here are some more links.Inside Every Progressive Is A Totalitarian Screaming To Get Out - David HorowitzProfessors Sign Petition on Israel :: Campus Watchhttp:Campus Watch: Professors Agitate Against Middle East Peace :: Campus WatchInside Every Progressive Is A Totalitarian Screaming To Get Out - David HorowitzWorld History Textbooks Biased Against Israel | History News NetworkOutrage of the Day :: Campus WatchColumbia Embraces Another Anti-Israel Professor :: Campus Watch[This message has been edited by WILLOWTREE, 04-29-2004]

Dan Carroll quote:
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Secondly, you continue to make the mistake of equating the Jewish people with the government of Israel. As a person of Jewish heritage, I find this extraordinarily insulting. It suggests that the actions of a small number of Jews reflects on all Jews everywhere. It dehumanizes Jews, and I would like you to stop.
______________________________________________________________________What the hell are you talking about Dan ?I could say I am Jewish which would be done to insulate from any accusation of anti semitism, but you have done the reverse. You are warning me that you are Jewish and that I am almost engaging in anti semitism. You do this because you do not like my answers.I am defending Jews to the maximum and suudenly I am borderline anti semitism walking. It is you who are denying the rationalization of the Arab holocaust against Jews. You are the anti semite.You prove what you accused me of withdraw it.I have no idea what you are talking about in this Israel/Jewish separation. It is a non-sequitor, it is you getting whipped so you invent something to deflect away from this fact.It doesn't matter if you are Jewish or not. I am as pro Jew as any person on the face of the Earth.You can't beat me in argument so you look for an opportunity to outright warn/lie via argue a certain way or I will brand your argument anti Jew.What the hell are you talking about.In fact, carry out your threat. I won't do what you said I better.

Zephyr writes:
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I have done neither. The goalposts shift so fast with you that I cannot attempt to address every point from the same exact angle in every post. I offered arguments that did not depend on the existence or prevalence of anti-semitic views and thus may have appeared to accept your impression of how common they are
______________________________________________________________________OK I accept this explanation and I agree.Zephyr quote:
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More recently I may have pointed out that you had no evidence to show that anti-semitism is more common among the educated.
______________________________________________________________________I never claimed it was more common among the educated. I pointed out the anti semitism among a specific group of persons and then pointed out what they have in common with Nazi's.I am/have singled out highly educated professors who justify suicide bombings and then asked whats the difference between them and skinheads/Nazi's ? Nothing at all. Each group justifies the murder of Jews.

The relevance of this link evidences that there is a sizable body of professors who are vehemently against Israel.Then I will add, how many amongst these intellectuals do you think make excuses for Palestinian terror ?It is no stretch to assume some.

You don't speak for Jews, and I could say it dehumanizes Jews to separate them from the Israeli government.Why don't you evidence this nonsense Dan - practice what you preach.The point is that you are mouthing subjective opinion under the guise of race sensitivity police patrol. Dan the comic moonlights as speech police....under investigation for abusing power....stay tuned.....

Dan Carroll quote:
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I have not accused you of anti-semitism, nor have I threatened you. I have pointed out that you are making comments which are both dehumanizing to Jews, and fallacious, and that I would like you to stop using such arguments.
______________________________________________________________________such as.....prove it......You have already dehumanized Jews by defending skinheads dressed in education and suits.I doubt you are a Jew or have any Jewish blood in you.It should make no difference anyway.You have diverted the discussion with fraud. I will keep doing what I have been doing so make your move.

The totality of the links I have provided do evidence what I was asked. These links are contained in two separate posts.

Dan, if you care to, lets start over.Create a post that lists your main points and I will answer ?

I will not hold your hand, I will not continue to jump through hoops.
I could easily provide what you ask from the links already posted.What you're really saying is that there is no such thing as university professors who justify suicide bombings. This opinion is tantamount to persons who hold that the Holocaust never happened.I am really only interested in debating with persons who recognize the fact that these justifications do exist, are widespread and prevalent across the university landscapes of America and Europe.Post number 53 in this topic has the member RECOGNIZING a rationale for terrorism aka cold blooded murder. This "view" is common, and it is the standard excuse made for Palestinian suicide bombings. If a average anonymous person parrrots what is routinely found in every media outlet then this is self evident that the whitewash exists and was originated and legitimized by a status quo that includes the culprits I am going after. IF my stinging indictment wasn't about a connection to Nazi's then you or anyone else would not be opposed.

My point is in post number 1.

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Please be so kind as to reference these New Orthodox theologians so that I may query this statement.
______________________________________________________________________I already have in a previous post: Paul Tillich, Karl Barth, Reinhold Niebuhr.1.61803 quote:
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How is sin perfected?
______________________________________________________________________In the case of the Nazis, they used their intelligence to murder/sin more efficently/productively/diabolically/etc.etc.1.61803 excerpt:
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willowtree writes:
What it says is that you can know right and wrong/good and evil BUT man will still choose the evil and not the good because he is separated from God. END WILLOWTREE QUOTE.If God is omnipotent how can one be separated from him? This is a contradiction.
______________________________________________________________________You are confusing "all powerfulness", an attribute of God, to dismiss what happened in the Garden of Eden.One is separated by sinful nature, we are born separated from God BECAUSE of Adam/Eve's sin/fall. This is why God did not want Adam/Eve to have the Knowledge of Good and Evil. I took this truth and evidenced it by pointing to the Nazis who were very educated/possessed
knowledge of good/evil/right/wrong. In spite of their knowledge they did evil because the "knowledge" has no power/ability to make one choose/embrace the good when separated from God. Which proves God right, that knowledge of good and evil is not the cure for sin.
I also evidenced this by showing certain theologians thought education was the cure for sin UNTIL they witnessed what educated men (Nazis) did. (Holocaust) These same theologians changed their beliefs and recognized the Doctrine of Original Sin: Man is born separated fron God with a bent in nature, a bent to do sin/evil despite educational level.1.61803 quote:
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I would go you one futher and state that anyone (regardless of education) who justifys or rationalizes genocide of any group of people for any reason are acting like the Nazi Party did during the holocaust. Why single out just professors in your statement? This is a no brainer.
______________________________________________________________________Because the university professors are:1) Highly educated just like the Nazis.2) Justify the murder of Jews just like Nazis.3) In no way see themselves like Nazis but they are.4) In no way see themselves as uncivilized like uneducated persons (skinheads) but they are just like skinheads/Nazis.5) Because society holds them in high regard unlike Nazis and skinheads.