The New Neo-Nazi's

Prior to World War 2 New Orthodox theologians and their philosophical friends in the secular world believed that sin was ignorance and education was the cure.Post World War 2 these theologians abandoned this belief wholesale. They witnessed the most educated nation on Earth commit the unspeakable Holocaust - 6 million Jews slaughtered.Nazi Germany was propelled and equipped by highly educated men, yet this education/knowledge did not cure sin, it is a fact that the intelligence of these men was used to perfect sin via the atrocities committed against the Jewish race.New Orthodoxy returned to the spring/source/Bible for answers. They re-discovered that which was already there. Man has a "bent" in his nature, a proclivity to want to do evil/sin. They were re-awakened
to the Biblical truth of original sin.The Doctrine of Original Sin says: Because of Adam/Eve sin, we are born separated from God with a sinning nature. We are not sinners because we commit sins, rather, we commit sin because we are sinners.Yet, most importantly, the truth of what God said about the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil is apparent: There is NO POWER in the knowledge of good and evil to CHOOSE the good over the evil APART from God.I urge you to understand the above statement.What it says is that you can know right and wrong/good and evil BUT man will still choose the evil and not the good because he is separated from God.The most educated nation on Earth, Nazi Germany demonstrates this truth/fact.Knowledge and education is not the cure for sin.Conclusion/Point of Post:

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Every American and European university professor who provides the justification and rationale and excuses for the murdercide of defenseless Israeli civilians are adopting the mantle of the Nazi's, using their ultra educational status/credentials as a tool to sin/murder Jews. They are the New Neo-Nazi's.

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When is the morality of the highly educated going to reach the Jews and condemn their murders by Palestinian suicide cowards ?{I have taken the liberty of highlighting part of the message, through the use of bold font text. I will now open the topic to debate. - Adminnemooseus[This message has been edited by WILLOWTREE, 04-26-2004][This message has been edited by WILLOWTREE, 04-26-2004][This message has been edited by Adminnemooseus, 04-27-2004]

Invoke the Creator/God and blame christianity for the Holocaust.
This is an old racist/hate argument intended to ignore everything but placing one religion against the other.Note that this post completely disregards the conclusion which is the subject.Anyone who says Hitler was christian, or any Nazi reveals their gutter racism/anti-christian bias.

Hitler said no such thing - you did.Hitler was an occultist obsessed with owning the Spear of Destiny because of its perceived history of the owner controlling the world.Nazi's had zero allegiance to any deity except to rationalize their evil with deist halos.Nazi's were not madmen. They were perfectly sane and extremely educated and innovative. To say they were "madmen" leaves the impression that they are somehow not responsible for their actions due to insanity.

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Oh dear God, where do you get this stuff??
Sure Nazi Germany had some of the leading scientist minds in the world, but what makes you think that these individuals were responsible for the political decisions made by the government?I think you'll find that most of the people who commited the atrocities on the ground weren't necessarily what you'd call the educated elite: they were a minority of thugs caught up in the political wing of the German military amchine.Most of the educated German high class served as officers in the Wermacht. I don't believe that you can sustain the charge that most of the professional German officers soldiers were involved in commiting atrocities.
_____________________________________________________________________The cut and pasted excerpt above is whats called a classic Nuremburg argument.It didn't work then and I won't let it work now. Feigning ignorance and or hiding behind the excuse of following orders is a premeditated lie.Gilgamesh quote:
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Again, WTF is this New Orthodoxy?
_____________________________________________________________________New Othodoxy is the term used to describe theologians like Paul Tillich, Karl Barth, and of course Reinhold Neibuhr. After WW 2 they returned to the orthodox position of Original Sin.

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This topic's first post seems to be an attack on knowledge. I wonder what WT would have schools do in the stead of imparting knowledge. Should we simply send our kids to day-long prayer sessions and bible studies?
_____________________________________________________________________First off thanks for your undeserving comment about me elsewhere - thank you.No this post is not an attack on knowledge. It is an attack on any belief that believes that evil/sin can be cured by knowledge/education.The New Orthodox theologians, prior to WW 2, believed that sin was ignorance and education was the cure.There is no power in knowledge of good and evil to choose the good over the evil UNLESS God empowers to do so.Nazi Germany was unquestionably the most educated nation in history at the time. Every aspect of their society and especially the leadership at all levels were extremely educated and smart.This evidences that knowledge DOES NOT guarantee morality because it lacks any power to make one choose the good over the evil. You can know right from wrong (and the Nazi's did) but this knowledge and any level of knowledge is void of any power to make one embrace good/morality.This is WHY God did not want Adam/Eve to have "the knowledge".University professors in the West, sit in the comfort of their little kingdoms, and constantly spew out whitewash justifications when Palestinian murdercide bombers do their cowardly acts. What kind of animal would walk into a cafe and blow everyone up ? What kind of animal would defy their education/knowledge of good and evil and rationalize these acts ?Answer: The New Neo Nazi's....same as the old Nazi's....super intelligent rationalizing the murder of Jews.Whats the point of being educated..... Illiterate skinheads/certain university professors whats the difference here ?

I am not ignoring your reply. I will respond ASAP. Thanks for your interest in this topic.

I agree with everything you said in this post.BTW, when Berlin fell, the Russians went on a rampage that saw no mercy.If it wasn't for the Allies there probably wouldn't be any Germans today.

Negative, you CLAIMED Hitler professed christianity, how is this quote connected to christiandom ?

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Please, develop some maturity and stop hoping that crying "racism" and "hate" will shut people up
______________________________________________________________________Funny way to disagree. You are actually defending a country bumpkin accusation that christianity caused the Holocaust, which is actually a hate-based construct perpetrated by CERTAIN Jewish historians. This inflammatory religious rhetoric is intended as retaliation for christians blaming Jewry for murdering Jesus.The Church COULD OF stopped Hitler, but they conned themselves to believe that Sermon on the Mount principles would work on a tyrant.Zephyr quote:
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You have, without substantiation, argued that education is the reason for Nazism and that anyone who attempts to educate themselves and maintain a balanced perspective on one particular issue (Israel/Palestine) is in effect a Nazi. Pardon my saying so, but you don't have a leg to stand on
______________________________________________________________________Nope. I have argued that the highly educated (Nazi's) committed the worst sin/Holocaust, therefore anyone who wants to claim that education is the cure for evil/sin does not have a leg to stand on.If a "balanced perspective" includes whitewashing the murdercide of Jews, then this is a generous euphemism specially crafted to accomodate the ultra-educated. No attempt would be made to include skinhead violence in this category.Nobody can argue against a balanced perspective per se, and persons who play umpire in the Middle East conflict are not Nazi's, I am indicting a specific type of person (university professors) who would never see themselves as a "Nazi" to be just that when they justify the murder of Jews. My comparison is accurate: The ultra-educated committed the Holocaust and today the ultra-educated still justify the murder of Jews.They need to condemn suicide bombings without qualification - period.Zephyr quote:
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You can't simply handwave the words of Hitler himself with emotional rhetoric while foot-stomping your original (refuted) generalization.
______________________________________________________________________Those words of Hitler said nothing about christianity. Like I said, Hitler/Nazi's used deistic patronage to justify the unjustifiable.

Very good point.

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To equate those with knowledge though with Nazis is simply silly. Not foolish, not childish, but silly.And you keep going back to Nazi Germany being the most Educated Nation in History at that Time. That is simply hogwash. Worse it is hogwash without even an effort to support such assertions.
______________________________________________________________________I have equated the highly educated to be doing the same thing as the highly educated did in Nazi Germany: Rationalizing and justifying the murder of Jews.Only an ignorant person would deny that Nazi Germany was the most educated nation in history up until that point.My ultimate conclusions seem to really bother you. Why protect university elites ? They be the real intelligencia source of anti semitism.

Tell me who was more educated ?The Nazi's almost conquered the world and they did it with brains.I am making a valid point, it is debateable, and it is true at the same time. Have you read any bios of the Nazi's ? All of them had impressive educational credentials.If you want to argue about the reality of oxygen then go somewhere else. If my argument stands or falls on this precise issue then you lose easily.

What I am doing is cutting to the chase. My answer is, even nominally educated persons know that Nazi Germany was highly educated. If you want to say due to absence of "evidence" that this is an unsupported assertion then I agree, that technically you are correct. Are you happy ?If you are unaware of current events that contain quotes of university elites whitewashing Palestinian murdercide then, once again, comfort yourself with the above admission and move on. Quasi political/historical arguments require rapid fire point/counterpoint exchanges. Assumptions are made by persons already knowledgeable in the specific issue being debated/discussed. Persons like you I will just "concede" the point by technicality and comfort myself that you had to resort to a technicality to win instead of on merit.

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In other words, you're right in that education level has nothing to do with morality. Why is this point so important to you?
______________________________________________________________________Because certain quarters in the church and outside the church still believe that education can cure mans proclivity to do evil.Also, because the university elites who I am exposing never entertains the thought that they are even remotley Nazi, but, in reality, if a Nazi is a person who is highly educated and perpetrator of genocide against Jews, then their counterparts today are the highly educated who sit far away from the killing arena and rationalize the murder of Jews.When is the morality of the highly educated going to reach the Jews and condemn their murder ?This ongoing defense of university professors is despicable, what is the difference between them and skinheads ? Yet, university elites who justify Palestinian murder are held in high regard ?Berberry, I am not angry at you, just amazed at what lengths certains will go to protect rats dressed in education and suits.[This message has been edited by WILLOWTREE, 04-28-2004]

If my claims are so ridiculous then I am curious why you haven't backed up your "refutation" with evidence/substance ?Surely if it was how you say then you would of already done so.You are naieve at best and cannot stand my conclusions because they allow no relief for the hypocrisy of university elites.Whats going on in Palestine is worse than South African apartheid, which means the protest of injustice is not blindfolded.