PROOF against evolution

Who, or what, created the "information" for "somebody"? Who, or what, created the "information" for the 'higher intelligence'?Here's direct questions to get to the point:- What do you believe the ultimate source of "information" to be?
- And how is that original "information" different than all others, such that it was not derived from other information?

Just forget it... We will not talk about creation of genetic information. We will talk about creation of information. Just to make sure there will not be any misunderstanding. Well... I think it is very clear.... you are saying "It is done by natural selection" .... and I'm asking why it has to be selection... "why the destruction is not natural"? WHY IS IT SO?

And taking this to the next logical step (using your logic, at least), we must not teach any science, since we must know the origin of the universe before doing so! Let us all return to the dark ages, compulsory tithing and ignore what we may see in the world.Or perhaps you'd care to present PROOF against evolution instead of the usual creationist rhetoric?

What is now sure is that you are not familiar with the theory of evolution.The Theory of Evolution does not address the origin of life.You do realize there are many who believe that a higher power created the universe and life, but that life developed as described by the theory of evolution?

What information, though? That's what I asked before. I still don't understand what you're talking about. Who said anything about "destruction"?

But destruction is natural.As I have explained to you, there is random mutations. Chance, nothing more.Most are neutral. They have no effect. Some are harmful. A few are beneficial.Natural selection is simply a way of saying which actually lived to reproduce, and which didn't. Just history. No direction, no purpose. Those with harmful mutations do not live long enough to reproduce. Those mutations don't get passed on. The critters that got the neutral or beneficial mutations lived long enough to reproduce and pass those changes on. No purpose, no plan. Some are destroyed. It's happened many times. It's all chance.

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion

Good try, but look at the topic name what we are talking about. So why are you starting new discussion... you can open new one, if you like. pinky, as I said, we are talking about proof against the evolution, you can open new discussion. The answer to you question regarding to this would be meaningless. I don't know. I believe in 'higher intelligence' [or God, if you like] and it can be whatever - whatever I can't imagine, so can't tell you. What's the different sign? - It was first one. What to say.But all question are out of topic.

But it is not science, Lindum. If you pillar starting point just appeared, just was, you can't even think about word "science". Maybe science-finction.it's not rhetoric - it is proof, Lindum, sorry. That what you showed is rhetoric.

Well, as I said, there are unseparable parts of this theory which does.. Oh really, do you believe in God? Answer please.Lets make a poll - Everybody who believes in God [or higer intelligence, if you like] and Theory of Evolution... say it. Thank you.We'll see.

yxifix,At Nosy's request I've responded in an approprate thread, here.Mark

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There are 10 kinds of people in this world; those that understand binary, & those that don't

yxifix- your complaints that I am off-topic are a bit ridiculous, since I am continuing the thread as you have come to define it in the past several pages. In fact, your last message stated: That is the intent of the questions I posed to you. Since you have been pleading with everyone over the past hundred messages to explain the source of information, I can only find it as a ploy that you cry "off topic!" when the same questions are asked of you.Truthfully, you have not made a single comment regarding evolution in this entire thread.Do you care to contribute one?

No, there's not.Why would there be? Evolution is a theory of biology; the origin of life is a question for chemistry.Two different fields, Y. The foundation of evolution is not abiogenesis; the foundation of evolution is observation, hypotheses, and experimentation. Does the Catholic Church count? There's 17.4 percent of the world's population, right there.What, you thought they were atheists? C'mon.

You've forgotten what information means? Information needed to create universe... I'm a bit confused because of your question, heh. That's the point. Then tell me who said anything about "selection"?

Actually almost all Christian and Jewish organizations believe in Evolution and oppose seeing Creationism taught.Here is a partial list:

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Religions Supporting Evolution

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These churches and religious organizations have come out in opposition to teaching creationism in school:

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* American Jewish Congress
* American Scientific Affiliation
* Center For Theology And The Natural Sciences
* Central Conference Of American Rabbis
* Episcopal Bishop Of Atlanta, Pastoral Letter
* The General Convention Of The Episcopal Church
* Lexington Alliance Of Religious Leaders
* The Lutheran World Federation
* Roman Catholic Church
* Unitarian Universalist Association
* United Church Board For Homeland Ministries
* United Methodist Church
* United Presbyterian Church In The U.S.A.

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It's only a few cults, Christian, Jewish and Muslim, mostly from the fringe Evangelical and Fundamentalist traditions that have any problem whatsoever with the TOE.

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion

Again my beliefs have nothing to do with the science of evolution.You've stated, "Well, as I said, there are unseparable parts of this theory which does..."[address the origin of life].Please support this assertion, since your personal beliefs have nothing to do with the science of evolution either.What are these unseparable parts of the theory of evolution that address life origins, specifically?