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Loudmouth Inactive Member |
quote: A quantum fluctuation unbound by time or cause creates an ouflow of energy. This energy condenses into atoms that contain information given to them by the quantum fluctuation. These atoms then combine and give rise to other information. The beginning of life starts when chemical reactions guided by the information stored within the atoms cause self-replicating reactions. These self-replicating reactions are then accessible to natural selection of random mutations, and new information is created through this process. Is this good enough? Can we move on to discussing how information is created through the processes of natural selection and mutation?
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yxifix Inactive Member |
jar writes: But destruction is natural.As I have explained to you, there is random mutations. Chance, nothing more. Most are neutral. They have no effect. Some are harmful. A few are beneficial. Natural selection is simply a way of saying which actually lived to reproduce, and which didn't. Just history. No direction, no purpose. Those with harmful mutations do not live long enough to reproduce. Those mutations don't get passed on. The critters that got the neutral or beneficial mutations lived long enough to reproduce and pass those changes on. No purpose, no plan. Some are destroyed. It's happened many times. It's all chance.
well, I mean destruction of everything (as I have already mentioned it many times before) You are saying "random selection", I'm not saying "random destruction" but "destruction of everything", that's a difference. Taking into account your logic - you are saying "selection" is natural... but why "random selection" is natural as well?
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yxifix Inactive Member |
Well, as I said, there are unseparable parts of this theory which does.. No, there's not. Why would there be? Evolution is a theory of biology; the origin of life is a question for chemistry. Two different fields, Y. The foundation of evolution is not abiogenesis; the foundation of evolution is observation, hypotheses, and experimentation.
Lets make a poll - Everybody who believes in God [or higer intelligence, if you like] and Theory of Evolution... say it. Does the Catholic Church count? There's 17.4 percent of the world's population, right there. What, you thought they were atheists? C'mon. I've stated clear question: Do you believe in God (truly) and Theory of Evolution as well?
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Lindum Member (Idle past 3428 days) Posts: 162 From: Colonia Lindensium Joined: |
yxifix writes: If you pillar starting point just appeared, just was, you can't even think about word "science". Maybe science-finction.
You miss the point. Is the theory of gravity invalid without knowing the the origin of the universe? Your logic would seem to indicate so. In the real world, questions are easy, the answers are usually not.
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jar Member (Idle past 425 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Taking into account your logic - you are saying "selection" is natural... but why "random selection" is natural as well? It is simply random, chance. No plan, no purpose, no design. Some live long enough to reproduce. Some don't. Conditions change. No plan, no purpose, no design. Some can survive those changes, some can't. No plan, no purpose, no design. Random. Chance. Natural. Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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yxifix Inactive Member |
Well, pinky, you can think whatever you want. You are going out of topic, so I won't support you in that and reply. sorry.
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mark24 Member (Idle past 5226 days) Posts: 3857 From: UK Joined: |
yxifix,
At Nosy's request I've responded in an approprate thread, here. Mark There are 10 kinds of people in this world; those that understand binary, & those that don't
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yxifix Inactive Member |
I don't care about organizations I haven't heard before... I'm saying about you, the people who are here in a discussion.
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pink sasquatch Member (Idle past 6054 days) Posts: 1567 Joined: |
yxifix - you seem to be the one off-topic, refusing to answer questions until you've taken a poll of people's personal beliefs.
So please, do get back on-topic, and answer the question I posed in a previous message: What are the unseparable parts of the theory of evolution that address life origins, specifically?
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yxifix Inactive Member |
pink sasquatch writes: Again my beliefs have nothing to do with the science of evolution.You've stated, "Well, as I said, there are unseparable parts of this theory which does..."[address the origin of life]. Please support this assertion, since your personal beliefs have nothing to do with the science of evolution either. What are these unseparable parts of the theory of evolution that address life origins, specifically? The creation of information. - you can include it into any part of science as you like, it will be part of evolution. Do you believe in God nad this theory, or not?
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jar Member (Idle past 425 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
I don't care about organizations I haven't heard before... You have not heard of the Episcopal Church, Roman Catholic Church, Lutheran Church, Presbyterian Church? Come on now. Add in the CofE and you have the vast, vast majority of Christians world wide. But specifically, I am a Christian that fully supports the TOE. There is absolutely no conflict between Christianity and the TOE. Religion deals with the question of WHY, science deals with the HOWS. Two areas of study, mutually supportive. Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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pink sasquatch Member (Idle past 6054 days) Posts: 1567 Joined: |
The creation of information. - you can include it into any part of science as you like, it will be part of evolution. Funny, when I just asked you about the creation of information you accused me of being off-topic...
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pink sasquatch Member (Idle past 6054 days) Posts: 1567 Joined: |
yxifix-
Please explain to me specifically how the theory of evolution addresses the "creation of information", since I don't see it. Though I could easily see an argument for "change of information".
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yxifix Inactive Member |
Loudmouth writes: A quantum fluctuation unbound by time or cause creates an ouflow of energy. This energy condenses into atoms that contain information given to them by the quantum fluctuation.
Quantum fluctuation. It creates energy, it creates meaningful information.. why? You don't know yourself. This is not "theory" this is "fantasy". With this example it can be done house full of nice furniture (mentioned before) instead of universe. Tell me one thing, seriously. When Big Bang happened, why on the Earth (or all planets) wasn't house like that created? Could it be possible if we give it time? eg. billions of years? It's 1:00 here... going to bed.
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crashfrog Member (Idle past 1498 days) Posts: 19762 From: Silver Spring, MD Joined: |
Do you believe in God (truly) and Theory of Evolution as well? Irrelevant. I've already shown you millions of people who believe in both evolution and God. What's one more on top of millions?
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