New Book: Kerry ‘Unfit for Command’

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You liberals are lying about this claim that Bush lied.

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There you go again. You liberals this, and you liberals that. You can dodge, you can ignore and you can rant and rave, but you can't turn a serial liar like George Bush into respectable presidential candidate. Calling liberals liars doesn't make George W. Bush honest. Calling John Kerry's honored Viet Nam record a fraud doesn't make George W. Bush honest. And not even George W. Bush saying "Honest" can make George W. Bush honest.George W Bush is: a military dropout, a failed business man, an opportunist who profited from his father's presidency
    with questionable business associates, cheated to claim victory illegitimately in the 2000 election, lied to garner public support for the Iraq War, has told too many other lies to list!

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This whole concept doesn't give you some misgivings, some concerns? That a "conservative legal watchdog group" (run by? funded by?) wants to launch a legal investigation by people under the administration against his opponent?

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As a matter of fact, it is even more scary than you describe. Not only is a right-wing group asking a rightwing attorney general to investigate his right-wing boss' political opponent, but with the new [anti]Patriot Act, the right-wing attorney general can label the political opponent a terrorist because of his "anti-American" statements to Congress and use wiretapping and other electronic surveillance including monitoring emails without so much as asking a judge's permission.

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With Kerry not releasing records, and more and more Navy leaders speaking up, I suspect he is hiding something.

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I can't believe that you really believe what you are writing. Kerry has released every document relating to his military service. Bush has many missing documents. You can see both of their records at Findlaw.comBut, really, do you think it is more important to allow ourselves to be distracted by John Kerry's well documented Viet Nam heroism when we have Americans dying everyday in Iraq today while the federal budget spirals out of control. If you believe that reelecting George W Bush at any cost is more important than having a democratic debate about legitimate issues facing America, then I suppose the Swift Distraction "makes sense" to you.But just remember, when your children are paying off the war debt that Bush promised us would be only $1 Billion dollars and is now over $200 billion, that it was all worth it.PS: Do you really like being lied to that much?

And I suppose you think exporting American jobs is good for the economy, too?The Patriot Act is a return to McCarthyism, pure and simple. Already, thousands of political activists in Colorado have been watched and had files maintained on them because they chose to exercise their first amendment right to protest against the actions of their government. This surveillence was carried on under the auspices of the Joint Terrorism Task Force (JTTF) of the federal government. Colorado sued by the ACLU for violating their first amendments rights and in a settlement, agreed to purge the files of all activists who were not engaged in illegal activity.Honestly, ThingsChange, can't you see the problem with giving government unlimited power with no checks and balances? If not, why do you think it was so important to our founding fathers?

I just visited this site and to my amazement, I found another candidate for the "How low will they go?" department! The officialdom and detail with which they attack the truth is almost compelling. I had to go back to the Kerry records and verify that I had actually witnessed his citation from the U.S. Navy for his Silver Star.But this raises a larger question. If this sort of deception can be so effective with the people in this forum, can it also work on a national scale? Is it possible these orwellian tactics can actually fool most of America? This is a very scary thought.

Kerry said he received a Silver Star in Viet Nam. Kerry has released official documentation from the Navy that says he received a Silver Star in Viet Nam. So what is your reason for talking about the seriousness of an act of fraud that didn't happen.I see a very disturbing possibility here. Is it possible that you would not want to know if people that you were entrusting your future and your security to were deceiving you? Don't you see the bigger picture here? Bush orchestrated a campaign against John McCains war record 4 years ago. The Bush campaign in S Carolina created a rumor mill with stories about John McCain's black baby. The Bush campaign suggested that John McCain might be mentally ill from his time in the prisoner of war camp. The Bush Administration said Sadaam had WMDs. Bush said he didn't know Ken Lay before his 2000 campaign. Does any of this matter?

"Whatever" - Your name is apt.Whatever the truth, you will defend Bu$hWhatever the cost, you will defend Bu$hWhatever . . .Americans are dying in Iraq and you're worried about whether or not a "V" should or shouldn't be on Kerry's website.Halliburton is stealing our children's future while Cheney is still being paid off and you're worried about whether or not a "V" should or shouldn't be on Kerry's website.80% of the chicken hawks who are running this war never spent a day in the military and you're worried about whether or not a "V" should or shouldn't be on Kerry's website.The terrorist who masterminded the attack on the World Trade Center 3 years ago is still on the loose and you're worried about whether or not a "V" should or shouldn't be on Kerry's website.Over a million jobs in America have been lost or sent overseas and you're worried about whether or not a "V" should or shouldn't be on Kerry's website.Almost 1000 Americans have died in Iraq and you're worried about whether or not a "V" should or shouldn't be on Kerry's website.Whatever, your strategy of wasting time talking about non issues is exactly the distraction that your hero wants. Bu$h wants to divide us so that while we are arguing about some nonexistent issue (like a "V" that someone says is there that shouldn't be there) his boys can busily pick our pockets with impunity. Bu$h will be very happy to know that he has you on his side doing your part to assist in this national ripoff.

Bush lied about weapons of mass destruction to go to war. Now you're lying when you say that I agree with you. Is it a genetic disease with you right-wing neocons?What I said was, we need to be having a national debate about whether or not it was a good idea to turn the $100 billion dollar national suprlus into $400+ billion dollar national debt instead of wasting time with distractions.That we should be putting the microscope on the Iraq war, why we're there and how the hell we're gonna get out instead of wasting time with distractions.That we should talking about why we are giving taxcuts to the wealthy while cutting social security, cutting education and, yes, even cutting hospitilization for veterans instead of wasting time with distractions.We should be investigating the Bush/Cheny violations of the constitution and laws of the United Stated that they swore to uphold. instead of wasting time with distractions.Here is a long list of things that are more important than your made-up, fictionalized accusations:Bush's National Guard File Missing Records Why Bush gets away with insider trading while Martha Stewart gets punishedBush/Ashcroft attack on American civil libertiesBush using Secret Service to attack Michael Moore's First Amendment rightsWhy law abiding citizens find themselves on a government No-Fly listWhether John Ashcroft can force companies to report employees who appear on a government blacklistWhether this administration adequately trained military interegators or directly encouraged them to engage in torture in violation of the Geneva ConventionWhether or not we should be running up $400+ billion dollar deficits (that our children will have to pay) while giving America's (and foreign) billionaires massive taxcutsWhy the Bush Administration can't agree with the Bush Administration on an Iran policy AND why officials are leaking classified documents in order to advance their agendaWhy the Republicans have an aversion to the truth [143 lies from RNC]Whether to restore $500 billion dollars to the Social Security trust fund that Bush said he wouldn't raid - and then didIdentifying and bringing to justice ALL those who violated the Geneva Convention, were responsible for but failed to enforce it and who encouraged, through official acts of their public offices

And last, but certainly not least, how to begin the process of recovering all the money that this administration has looted from the American people.Now, Whatever, tell me which of these issues you think is less important than debating Kerry's well known, well documented and heroic Viet Nam service.This message has been edited by patriot0717, 09-06-2004 03:10 PM

Thank you for keeping us up-to-date on what the whacky right is saying. I see why they want mandatory testing for school children. It is clear that we needed mandatory testing when they were in school, but didn't have it.I regret that we waste so much time with the distractions that people like Whatever continue to interject into the debate. Here are 3 subjects that I would like to see talked about.1. We're in Iraq. Maybe we shouldn't have gone in the first place or maybe we should have - but that's another question that has more to do with placing blame than fixing the problem. If we pack up and leave tomorrow, we leave Iraq in chaos. What do you think should be our criteria for turning the country back over to the Iraqis and how long do you think it should take?2. What steps do you think should be taken to prevent Cheney from siphoning off billions of dollars into his Haliburton bank account via the Iraq war?3. How do we stop Bu$h from raiding the social security fund and then eliminating the program all together?

Whatever, usually the way in which a person determines credibility is to compare a persons words with the truth. The first conflict with the truth usually renders one's commentary suspect. The second and third departures from the truth usually render the source unreliable or misleading.In your case, Whatever, I have withheld judgement after observing you depart from the truth several times. However, you have exceeded the "reasonable, honest mistake" threshhold and have now been exposed as intentionally misleading to serve your personal agenda, which appears to be to aid George W. Bush in his reelection campaign. In fact, your departures from the truth seem to parallel those of Bush and his campaign almost as if George W. Bush were your role model.For my part, Whatever, I am interested in seeing Kerry be given the opportunity to lead our country because I have confidence, based on all that I have seen and read, Kerry is a strong, effective leader. He demonstrated that through his service in Viet Nam and through his continuing service to the country as an elected official.My agenda is the best future for my 4, 6 and 19 year olds, Whatever. I would like to see Kerry defeat Bush not because I am a member of the same gang, but rather because I am interested in the truth. If you have some relevent truth to share - good or bad, for or against Kerry or Bush - I am interested in knowing about it, because there is a great relationship between truth and freedom. And that, my friend, is one of the biggest reasons I support Kerry's candidacy, because I believe that Kerry will be honest with the American people. And I KNOW that Bush has deceived America - not once, but consistently. Bush has lied, cheated and stolen America's goodwill, the 2000 election and international relationships. He even had the U.N. Representatives offices bugged!Anyway, Whatever, to return to my original accusation against you for yet another misconception, falsehood, lie, or Whatever you call it, the reality (TRUTH, in other words) is that Kerry actually said, "Any attack will be met with a swift and certain response. I will never give any nation or international institution a veto over our national security." This message has been edited by patriot0717, 09-07-2004 11:47 AMThis message has been edited by patriot0717, 09-07-2004 11:51 AMThis message has been edited by patriot0717, 09-07-2004 11:57 AM

How many billions do you think he could steal during the impeachment process? There must be a more immediate solution. I like the idea of appointing an independent counsel to investigate corruption in the administration.This message has been edited by patriot0717, 09-07-2004 12:17 PMThis message has been edited by patriot0717, 09-07-2004 03:21 PM

Just because Republicans abused the Independent Counsel law doesn't mean we should throw the baby out with the bath water. This kind of government corruption is exactly the reason why we need to have the Independent Counsel option.
BTW here is an interesting video that you won't hear talked about on the corporate media. It's Ben Barnes apologizing for his assistance in getting George W. Bush a privileged slot in the National Guard.This message has been edited by patriot0717, 09-07-2004 04:24 PM

I think in the old law, a committee formed from an equal number of members from each party selected the independent counsel - just to avoid this sort of situation. Do you mean judges for the investigation? Maybe. If you mean appointments for Supreme Court Justices and other court appointments then I would be very worried by that. Remember this is the same Supreme Court that put Bush in the White House. Can you image Clarence Thomas or Antoine Scalia making Supreme Court appointments?

He has lied consistently before, during and after his election as president. There is nothing to question in Kerry's military record, but creating a laundy list of places where you claim there should be a comma that's missing and spending a lot of time debating it will most certainly deflect the debate from the important issues like: No, Right-wingers would rather attempt to smear the reputation of a real American war hero than to discuss the failures of their current administration.This message has been edited by patriot0717, 09-08-2004 12:21 AMThis message has been edited by patriot0717, 09-08-2004 12:22 AM

Bush lied about WMDs.
Bush lied about not raiding the social security trust fund.
Bush lied about a connection between Sadaam and al Quaeda.
Bush lied about not leaving any child behind.
Bush lied about every American getting a tax break.
Bush lied about his service in the National Guard.In fact the list of Bush lies is so long that it stretches the imagination to have a Bush supporter question someone else's honesty. But it's ok being lied to if it's George W. Bush?This message has been edited by patriot0717, 09-08-2004 12:50 AMThis message has been edited by patriot0717, 09-08-2004 01:09 AM