New Book: Kerry ‘Unfit for Command’

ever[/i]][/qs]And yet if you honestly stack it up against shrub, Kerry wins by a landslide. It would be amusing if it wasn't so serious, to watch you swallowing neocon lie after lie while they shred the constitution of the United States and plunder the government for profits. You need to verify your sources independently, but I don't expect any better behavior from you in this regard than observed from you with regard to science. For starters, try to verify that shrub was honorably discharged from the air nat guard ... with official documentation similar to what exists for all of Kerry's war service, such as his Purple Hearts. To be absolutely clear on this, there is nothing to turn off, there is no star wars shield, there will likely be no star wars shield, it is scientifically impractical, it has failed every test to date and several methods have already been developed to circumvent it should it ever get close to practical (and it would need to be 100% effective), while it sucks megabucks and creativity out from more worthwhile projects. It is a dangerous myth. Presumably you have copies of the bill of sale? Kerry is now suddenly Clinton's right hand man in this contrived neocon mythology? All the while congress and the senate were controlled by the republicans? And all they could do was charge someone about a blowjob stain on a dress -- and still fail to convict? Do you have any idea how absolutely ridiculous this ludicrous view is? Please provide the details for this from Kerry's campaign site, along with the details of what exactly is being cut and for what purpose? This is a particularly egregious example of one of those neocon lies mentioned above. Let's be blunt: the war in Iraq is a disaster from start to finish. They started it for the wrong reasons, gratuitously used false information to justify it, and it has been poorly planned and managed and still has no exit strategy. That the administration was solidly involved in all these areas of mismanagement and that it still does not acknowledge that it has made this major blunder shows that it is grossly incompetent to run this country. "Mission Accomplished" indeed. Or did we forget to ask exactly what the mission was?

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Anyone who thinks otherwise is not paying attention.

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Noticed that I distinguish between neocon and republican/conservative, for there are many who are as disturbed by this administration as most democrats justifiably are.

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As portrayed out of context in a bush ad ... I said to verify your statement from Kerry's website, not regurgitate some distortion of the truth pretending to present information as fact. This is just like the neocon lies about Gore "inventing the internet" -- false misrepresentations. Prove me wrong.The Kerry site is http://www.johnkerry.com/index.htmlNow go and do as I ask or admit that you only listen to neocon propaganda. Learn to separate fact from fiction.I also seen no effort on your part to provide the information to show shrubbykins was not AWOL and did get an honorable discharge. It should be simple if it is true. Simple. Very simple. But where is the evidence? Hmmm? Seems to me he was incapable of even pulling rich boy coddled light duty surrogate service. Talk about a real no show ...Repeat: starwars does not exist. Seems you missed that point last time. It is no more feasible now than it was when Reagan was president.Repeat: the Iraq war is a disaster and shows the shrub administration to be incompetent.Meanwhile Afghanistan reverts to tribal warfare and Taliban control as it is neglected in favour of Iraq, an opportunity squandered: more incompetence.Meanwhile Al Queda has regrouped, reformed and expanded bigger and likely badder than ever, while our forces cannot handle police duty in Iraq because there was no plan for the aftermath: more incompetence.Meanwhile terrorism against Americans is at an all time high even disregarding the continued conflicts in Iraq and Afghanistan even according to the (revised under duress) report from the administration: more incompetence.Meanwhile a majority of traditional US allies have been antagonized and insulted to the point where US credibility is at an all time low internationally: more incompetence.Meanwhile the US economy still stumbles and falters lumbered by bad internal policies in almost every department from environment to unemployment to overtime pay to taxation ... policies moving in the wrong direction: more incompetence.Just how low is your standard?For me, Kerry shows more leadership by coming back from the war and then criticizing the reasons for being there and bringing to peoples attention the bad things that were being done (similar to what is now happening in Iraq ... ) than anything shrubby has done: good leaders can recognize when a policy is wrong and needs to be changed.Notice this for comparison to shrubs military "record" (from http://www.johnkerry.com/petition/oldtricks.php}: That's official US Navy records, not hype, not propaganda: it's real.perhaps you can find that Kerry position on intelligence funding from this site (see number 2 in particular) http://www.johnkerry.com/...room/releases/pr_2004_0426b.html or perhaps you can "the rest of the story" here http://www.johnkerry.com/pressroom/news/news_2004_0312b.html Let's see, that would be increase 200 billion less a proposed reduction of 1.5 billion for unspent, secret funds and that was overruled by a 3.8 billion reduction put through by republicans .... hmmmm. Get the facts.as I said Bush uses lies and misrepresentations, perhaps because he has no real facts to use. Except his incompetence.{{edit to correct number}}This message has been edited by RAZD, 08-22-2004 02:29 PM

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Get honest here and stop spouting neocon propoganda --- so far that is all you have done, you haven't checked one thing for accuracy, and believe me, you need to.Every add the bush campaign has put out on Kerry misrepresent the truth. Every one. Everyone of those places where they "say there is what Kerry says, and there is what Kerry does" has been documented independantly as a false misrepresentation of the truth.Likewise the claims of the "swiftboat vets" have also been independantly refuted from actual documents from the time in question.You say Kerry is contradictions because you never look below the level of the neocon propoganda to see the nuance involved (or you don't understand (a) that there could be nuance or (b) that nuance makes a difference )? One can be for a position, but because something has been tacked on to the bill that is unnacceptable, the bill needs to be voted down.Meanwhile Bush says one thing and really does do the opposite. Morons and the more gullible believe the words and never look to the actions for the reality.For the issue of troops without sufficient armour, you need to ask who sent those troops there under those conditions, who sent those troops into harms way insufficiently prepared: if you blame Kerry for this instead of Bush you truly are ... sorry, kind words fail me. and you still have said nothing about Bush's "service" record -- he used his family to get a candy surrogate service job, and was too busy partying to complete that. An honest person would consider him AWOL and dishonorably discharged until evidence is presented to show otherwise. How about putting some effort in here to give as much scrutiny to shrubbykins as you think you have to Kerry. Do some work before you throw your vote away eh?I really have to wonder at the intellectual capability of anyone that would still vote for bush that isn't making at least $100,000 and part of his good ol' boy cabal.

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among other ridiculous things on the construction of the ark and the survival of animals outside the ark to the point where one needs to ask why bother ...

well, it is the rational decision.(and that wave page was well done )personally I think that attack ads are an atrocious way to influence a decision of such importance, especially when they come from loose canons. in terms of election reform, I think that any attack ad should be automatically followed by a fact rebuttal/correction ad that only addresses the accuracy of the points in the attack ad and at the cost of those making the attack ads. this would go a long way to putting real facts in from of people. cut down on the garbage ads and perhaps inspire more policy debate (of course shrub would lose out in that process on both counts).

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we are limited in our ability to understand
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I didn't know Heston held thousands of voters in Florida hostage so that they couldn't vote and then bribed the supreme court to overturn the written constitutional precedures and appoint a king ... must have missed that somewhere.Yeah, O'Neil is only in the back pocket of the neocons (who are not republicans really) and he has all the air of a paid fanatic mercenary with a total disregard for truth. Official Navy documents say he is lying, what part of that did you miss?It won't go away because all shrubbykins has left in his arsenal is lies and misrepresentations and a total lack of integrity. Four years of work and nothing to show: he is that incompetent.Even the Iraq soccer team is upset with his posturing.Still nothing on shrubby's AWOL/Dishonorable Discharge ... funny what your standard of good leadership includes and excludes.Let me put it this way: shrubby didn't have the patriotic guts to protest the war and he didn't have the patriotic guts to serve in the war, he used family connections to get a cushy "bye" and he couldn't even summon the intestinal fortitude to complete that.Kerry had the gumption to fight in the war in one of the more dangerous ways, and then when he realized that the reasons for the war were false he had the gumption to stand up and say that it was wrong. Note that history has proven him correct, that the reasons for fighting the Viet Nam war were false: there has been no domino effect of rampant oligarchic pseudo-communism overrunning the neighboring countries. Likewise the reasons for fighting the Iraq war have been shown to be false.Looks to me like you're backing the wrong candidate by a country mile, bucko.But hey, that's just what the facts show, and why should anyone take them over the words of some pathologically prevaricating patriotically pathetic political pollyanna?Enjoy.

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I'd go further - it is malevolently misleading.But then I don't expect much more from the most incompetent and venal administration I have known.Looks like hangdog needs to pay attention to facts too, I see.Let's see:Kerry service record
Fully documented in official service records, not only from his boat but others in the same groups, said records contradicting what some of these attack ad vets are saying now, one of them (Thurlow) with a bronze medal for bravery under the same enemy fire as Kerry where they now say there was none ... hmmm. Meanwhile more vets have come forward to back Kerry and contradict O'Neil (news google "Patrick Runyon" and see Kansas CIty Star article (click for more), news google "William B. Rood" and see PR Newswire article (click for more) and Slow Boat Veterans for Lies - Archives Bellaciao EN - 2003-2016 for more)Bush service record (or lack thereof ...)
Documents missing for period where he is accused of (1) going AWOL, (2) missing a medical exam that included a drug test for the first time, and (3) being discharged dishonorably. Nothing to show that it did not happen that way and not one person has come forward to verify his presence. Anyone done their service training in isolation? Pretty fishy eh?Seems that shrubbykin's paid prevaricators are saying that official US Navy documents are lies (even though they were confirmed by multiple sources at the time, to the point of saying that one of their own was acquired under false pretenses?) while he has nothing to show for his.Sad to think that anyone finds bush worth voting for.

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sound bites from sources selected to fit your beliefs and an unwillingness to check against facts for accuracy: if it's what you want to hear then it must be right?truly scaryof course it does appear that the more logically impaired are the most willingly mislead ....I may have to move back to Canada until reason prevails again.

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that seems to cover it pretty thoroughly. thanks.re levels of PHs - this is similar to the question about "What do you call the person that graduated at the bottom of the class in medical school?" ...... Doctor. He passed the minimum requirements.

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we are limited in our ability to understand
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What part about having a personal position while accepting that others may not have that position and are legally entitled to not only have that opinion but be able to act on it, do you not understand? That is not lying, it is being honest not only about his personal position but about the reality of the abortion issue. More honest than anyone who opposes abortion for others based on imposing their personal faith values on them. One can personally oppose law A but say that it is the law and it is justified by the majority position of the people and must be obeyed. A more honorable stance than shrubs imho.Looks like you are shooting blanks again.Enjoy.

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I think he prefers fiction

They aren't contradictions because personal policy is different from national policy -- he is not the nation, but as an american he supports the national policy as it currently is reflected in the laws. This makes him law abiding. His personal policy means that if it was his decision on a personal level he personally would not choose abortion. His acceptance of the national policy means that on a personal level he may disagree, but will accept that others may choose differently according to their own personal policies, and that they justifiably have the legal right to do so.It seems you just don't get it.You need to put down the fiction books and get some facts.

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we are limited in our ability to understand
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I am against taxes on a general basis, but I also recognize that they are necessary to pay for necessary government expenses. The real issue is not taxes but responsible spending -- recognizing that certain costs need to be paid and finding ways to do that which are fair and just and equitable.Personally I think that if an amendment to the constitution is needed it should be one that says that for every bill that is passed where there is a cost involved that the bill must address how the cost is paid, either out of existing funds or through a specific tax or a specific bond issuing (like the "war bonds") complete with funds set aside to pay off those bonds when they become due.This is how you can be against raising taxes in general but vote specific tax bills, because they are needed to pay the costs of the services. Compare that to the totally irresponsible debit spending of this administration, spending that has reached a new all-time high, while at the same time giving away billions to a few people most able to pay their taxes and having no plan to pay the costs plus interest at a later date, literally mortgaging the future to the highest bidder. This administration is not just debit spending in the great tradition of the republican party, but they are looting the treasury for their buddies at the same time. Some more radical people have even charged that the administration is intentionally trying to bankrupt the government as a prelude to take-over.Out of curiosity, have you compared the government revenue lost due to this give-away program to the gained revenue from the tax increase to see which is actually costing this country more? Have you documented which of those taxes are not necessary? Have you documented all the republicans that also voted for the taxes? Or are you just parroting sound bites from neocon propaganda that have the appearance of meaning when all they are is a smoke screen from the real issue: our current administration is incompetent.Responsibility is paying for your government, that means taxes, and that means that passing necessary taxes is responsible behavior.

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we are limited in our ability to understand
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Funny that all the independent non-political evaluations of the Kerry swiftboat buisiness say that the evidence is there that the Kerry version is verified by actual official US Navy documents (from medal citations to boat repair records), while the positions of the attack ad crew are contradicted by such documents and internal discrepancies.Funny that this issue first arose when Kerry first ran for Senator and Nixon recruited O'Neil to smear him, and they were answered then. Those answers have not changed but the attack ad versions have?Interesting to see your response to Opus's post on the flipping and flopping of shrub ... and in just three years (one off on vacation) compared to Kerry's Senate career, even as distorted by the neocons.Now you may think that 4 months is not sufficient to judge a person, but I have to ask if those were compared to a few years that included a DUI, a missed mandatory medical with drug test, a suspension, apparently being AWOL, and having no documentation of an honorable discharge at the end of his service, I'd say you can make a judgement of relative character.What Kerry said was "I was there, I did show up, I did serve, and I'm ready to do it again." That singular difference has not been refuted by anyone. Not the attack ads, not the smear campaign.If you let neocons criticize Kerry (by paid self-serving surrogates or whoever), and follow those criticisms without looking equally at shrubby at the same time then you are not being honest about your criteria for credibility. The claim that it is only an issue between Kerry and the other vets and the claim that only Kerry can be criticized because he brought it up are both bogus due to the fact that bush claimed his service record when running against gore ... and still has no answers for the gaping holes in his stories four years later. If you ignore the negative character implications of this it is to your shame, as Kerry still comes out the better candidate even if all the bogus claims of the vet crew were true.Try side by side comparisons and you should change your tune.

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yeah, the ones that subverted the provisions in the constitution to appoint shrub president and overrule the election process. together with the ones that think the patriot acts are improvements instead of gutting the constitution ... those types?