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jar
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Message 362 of 612 (137720)
08-28-2004 8:06 PM
Reply to: Message 361 by johnfolton
08-28-2004 7:50 PM


Re: Jefferson was referring to the bill of rights
You do understand that the Creator that Jefferson was speaking of was not the Christian God. And that Jefferson, in particular, wanted to make sure that religion played no part in government.

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jar
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Message 369 of 612 (137747)
08-28-2004 9:38 PM
Reply to: Message 368 by johnfolton
08-28-2004 9:13 PM


Re: Its quite interesting that Jefferson gave God the Glory for the Bill of Rights!
whatever
You don't have a clue what you are talking about. And guess what

Once Again,You're Wrong!!!

It quite obvious that Jefferson was talking about the Christian religions(
Bullshit.
Here is what he thought of Christianity.
"But a short time elapsed after the death of the great reformer of the Jewish religion, before his principles were departed from by those who professed to be his special servants, and perverted into an engine for enslaving mankind, and aggrandizing their oppressors in Church and State." --Thomas Jefferson to Samuel Kercheval, 1810. ME 12:345
whatever writes:
religion was never intended to include the occult sects (Hindu, buddist, muslims, and other satanic sects that don't believe in God),
Actually, once again you are simply showing you don't know what you're talking about.
Here is what TJ had to say about Infidels, Hindus, Muslims and Buddhists.
"[When] the [Virginia] bill for establishing religious freedom... was finally passed,... a singular proposition proved that its protection of opinion was meant to be universal. Where the preamble declares that coercion is a departure from the plan of the holy author of our religion, an amendment was proposed, by inserting the word "Jesus Christ," so that it should read "a departure from the plan of Jesus Christ, the holy author of our religion." The insertion was rejected by a great majority, in proof that they meant to comprehend within the mantle of its protection the Jew and the Gentile, the Christian and Mahometan, the Hindoo and infidel of every denomination." --Thomas Jefferson: Autobiography, 1821. ME 1:67
Do you ever bother to check on any of the stupid assertions you make or do you just enjoy being proven wrong every time you make a post?

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jar
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Message 372 of 612 (137753)
08-28-2004 10:36 PM
Reply to: Message 371 by johnfolton
08-28-2004 10:17 PM


Re: Its quite interesting that Jefferson gave God the Glory for the Bill of Rights!
WOW!
Can you believe it, whatever doesn't know what he's talking about.
Surprise.
whatever writes:
wasn't aware the TJ signed the US Constitution,...
The US Constiution was ratified, not signed.
whatever writes:
...or played a part with the Bill of Rights,...so he never crafted the Constitution or the Bill of Rights,
The US Constitution was based in a large part on the Virgina Constitution and the Bill of Rights was most definitely the product of the three great Virginia delegates.
The Virginia Constitution Pre-dated the US Constitution and even the US Declaration of Independance.
So what he wrote in regard to the Virginia Constitution was before he wrote the draft of the US Declaration of Independance and when he metioned GOD there he most certainly meant those Pagan Gods as well.
No wonder you support Bush. You know as little about US history as he does.

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jar
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Message 379 of 612 (137763)
08-28-2004 11:10 PM
Reply to: Message 376 by johnfolton
08-28-2004 11:00 PM


Winging it?
Winging it? ROTFLMAO
however the only way God could of authored the Bill of Rights
God did not author the Bill of Rights. If there is any one that can be considered the author of the Bill of Rights, he was residing in Gunston Hall.

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jar
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Message 382 of 612 (137766)
08-28-2004 11:31 PM
Reply to: Message 380 by johnfolton
08-28-2004 11:25 PM


Time to quit lying, whatever.
It is quite interesting that a TJ, gave credit of the authorship of the Bill of Right to God,
You know that is not true so stop saying it.
Please show us where in the Bill of Rights Mr. Jefferson said that or quit saying it.

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jar
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Message 384 of 612 (137770)
08-28-2004 11:43 PM
Reply to: Message 380 by johnfolton
08-28-2004 11:25 PM


Re: Its quite interesting that Jefferson gave God the Glory for the Bill of Rights!
Well, let's look at that assertion as well. Can you stand to be shown to be blowing smoke out your ass once again?
Here is some idea of how Mr. Jefferson felt about the influence of Clergy in politics and the schools.
"The clergy, by getting themselves established by law and ingrafted into the machine of government, have been a very formidable engine against the civil and religious rights of man." --Thomas Jefferson to Jeremiah Moor, 1800.
Believing with you that religion is a matter which lies solely between man and his God, that he owes account to none other for his faith or his worship, that the legislative powers of government reach actions only, and not opinions, I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should 'make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof,' thus building a wall of separation between church and State.
-Thomas Jefferson, letter to Danbury Baptist Association, CT., Jan. 1, 1802
History, I believe, furnishes no example of a priest-ridden people maintaining a free civil government. This marks the lowest grade of ignorance of which their civil as well as religious leaders will always avail themselves for their own purposes.
-Thomas Jefferson to Alexander von Humboldt, Dec. 6, 1813.
The whole history of these books [the Gospels] is so defective and doubtful that it seems vain to attempt minute enquiry into it: and such tricks have been played with their text, and with the texts of other books relating to them, that we have a right, from that cause, to entertain much doubt what parts of them are genuine. In the New Testament there is internal evidence that parts of it have proceeded from an extraordinary man; and that other parts are of the fabric of very inferior minds. It is as easy to separate those parts, as to pick out diamonds from dunghills.
-Thomas Jefferson, letter to John Adams, January 24, 1814
And to finally settle the question of Christianity and the Constitution...
Christianity neither is, nor ever was a part of the common law.
-Thomas Jefferson, letter to Dr. Thomas Cooper, February 10, 1814

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jar
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Message 419 of 612 (138178)
08-30-2004 3:36 PM
Reply to: Message 417 by johnfolton
08-30-2004 3:20 PM


whatever says
Kerry as Senator... no Bills passed in 20 years???
and then in the next sentence...
As a Senator, Kerry has introduced 28 bills in the last 10 years, all of then defeated except one in 1998,...
whatever, which of those two statements is false?
ps: there are still open questions that you have failed to answer.

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jar
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Message 428 of 612 (138241)
08-30-2004 7:26 PM
Reply to: Message 427 by johnfolton
08-30-2004 7:13 PM


whatever.
You made two statements in that post.
In one you said that Kerry had no bills passed and in the very next line you said he had one bill passed. While both are wrong, you can't even keep your mistakes straight through one post.

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jar
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Message 430 of 612 (138246)
08-30-2004 7:40 PM
Reply to: Message 429 by johnfolton
08-30-2004 7:39 PM


whatever.
You made two statements in that post.
In one you said that Kerry had no bills passed and in the very next line you said he had one bill passed. While both are wrong, you can't even keep your mistakes straight through one post.

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jar
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Message 435 of 612 (138264)
08-30-2004 8:54 PM
Reply to: Message 431 by johnfolton
08-30-2004 8:44 PM


whatever.
You made two statements in that post.
In one you said that Kerry had no bills passed and in the very next line you said he had one bill passed. While both are wrong, you can't even keep your mistakes straight through one post.

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jar
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Message 534 of 612 (140443)
09-06-2004 6:22 PM
Reply to: Message 533 by johnfolton
09-06-2004 5:48 PM


whatever, you are lying again.
TJ and GWB share in the believe that our charter of freedom is from God's Holy Book
Please show where Mr. Jefferson says our freedoms come from God's Holy Book.

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jar
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Message 536 of 612 (140462)
09-06-2004 7:08 PM
Reply to: Message 535 by johnfolton
09-06-2004 6:57 PM


whatever, you are lying again.
Please show where Mr. Jefferson says our freedoms come from God's Holy Book.

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jar
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Message 538 of 612 (140475)
09-06-2004 7:43 PM
Reply to: Message 537 by johnfolton
09-06-2004 7:24 PM


whatever, you are lying STILL.
Please show where Mr. Jefferson says our freedoms come from God's Holy Book.

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jar
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Message 540 of 612 (140537)
09-06-2004 10:40 PM
Reply to: Message 539 by johnfolton
09-06-2004 7:59 PM


whatever, please answer the question.
Please show where Mr. Jefferson says our freedoms come from God's Holy Book.
It is not to be understood that I am with him (Jesus Christ) in all his doctrines. I am a Materialist; he takes the side of Spiritualism; he preaches the efficacy of repentence toward forgiveness of sin; I require a counterpoise of good works to redeem it. Among the sayings and discourses imputed to him by his biographers, I find many passages of fine imagination, correct morality, and of the most lovely benevolence; and others, again, of so much ignorance, so much absurdity, so much untruth, charlatanism and imposture, as to pronounce it impossible that such contradictions should have proceeded from the same being. I separate, therefore, the gold from the dross; restore him to the former, and leave the latter to the stupidity of some, the roguery of others of his disciples. Of this band of dupes and imposters, Paul was the great Coryphaeus, and the first corruptor of the doctrines of Jesus. Letter to W. Short, 1820
Christianity neither is, nor ever was, a part of the common law.
-- Thomas Jefferson, letter to Dr. Thomas Cooper, February 10, 1814

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Message 553 of 612 (140754)
09-07-2004 6:56 PM


How to restore America
Start by paying out $2,280,000,000,000.00. That's a chunck of change.

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