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Giant People in the bible?

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Message 3 of 352 (130916)
08-06-2004 2:32 AM 		Reply to: Message 1 by John Williams
08-06-2004 1:59 AM

Before going too far in any discussion of the Nephilim you really need to read the Book of Enoch. That's where you'll find most of the explanations.
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Book of Enoch
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Message 38 of 352 (133597)
08-13-2004 1:54 PM 		Reply to: Message 34 by Lysimachus
08-13-2004 1:22 PM

However, can it be possible that so many myths and legends regarding giants is completely false? Why would the Bible in a number of books mention these individuals so many times? Obviously, these large men were witnessed.
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So is it equally obvious that Elves, Fairies and Leprechauns exist?
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Could this mean that we, as a human race, are degenerating, and not progressing as Evolutionists assert?
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Evolutionists do not assert that we are progressing.
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I am beginning to see a pattern here that the stories of giants in the Bible and in other myths and legends is not so far fetched as Evolutionists would like to believe.
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And the pattern is?
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08-13-2004 2:17 PM 		Reply to: Message 40 by Lysimachus
08-13-2004 2:06 PM

Evolutionist do not use progression as more than a series of footprints. In TOE, progression is simply a description of path. It does not apply, and never has applied to anything more than that. Evolution is not from worse to better, smaller to bigger, bigger to smaller, or any other such nonsense. Those that survive long enough to reproduce, suceeded.
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Nonsense. There is no comparison here. You are comparing children's story books with ancient historical documents?
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Not at all. I was actually using Christian sources for that comment.
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"From ghoulies and ghosties
and long leggedy beasties,
and things that go bump un the night
Good Lord preserve us."
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Fairies, elves and Leprechauns are as fully documented, perhaps more so, than the giants.
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That there is good reason to believe that large men existed in early ancient times. We are speaking of the Bible + possible giant bones + ancient document describing large men.
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Well, you have the Bible, one more totally unsupported claim that misteriously disappeared, and the same childrens stories you desparaged above.
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jar, do you believe there is no "god" whatsoever? Can you honestly in your heart convince yourself there is no living creator that initiated life? Honestly?
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Honestly? I see absolutely no evidence that GOD directly created man. Neither does the vast majority of the Christian Church. The two different myths of creation as outlined in Genesis are most certainly just that, myths.
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08-15-2004 4:21 PM 		Reply to: Message 52 by Brian
08-15-2004 4:17 PM

You're being way too hard on them. It's only evidence that might be verified, dated or examined that gets lost.
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08-15-2004 5:32 PM 		Reply to: Message 56 by Lysimachus
08-15-2004 4:44 PM

Re: Add this too
Lysimachus writes:
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I want this discussion about giants to be serious.
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So let's examine a few quotes from your sources.
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Modern ‘experts’ firmly reject the idea that there have ever been entire races of giants
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That certainly seems reasonable.
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I read through the whole link you supplied but was unable to find any evidence that there were any real indications there were ever Giants. Instead there was just a collection of hoaxes, suggestions that such evidence might be hidden away at the Smithsonian, and cases where the exhibit has disaapeared for some reason.
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So seriously. Do you have any evidence that there was a race of Giants?
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09-13-2004 11:36 AM 		Reply to: Message 93 by John Williams
09-13-2004 5:58 AM

Re: Giant human unearthed in Saudi Arabia?
The direction of lighting on the person is different than that on the skull.
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09-13-2004 12:43 PM 		Reply to: Message 95 by John Williams
09-13-2004 12:36 PM

Re: Giant human unearthed in Saudi Arabia?
It could well have been protected under even a few inches of soil that were just recently disturbed so the condition doesn't bother me much. The lighting on the objects though is an issue and leads me to conclude that it is faked. It may be a composite from negatives or multiple exposure and not photoshoped (we tend to forget the old tried and true ways of faking a picture), but it is faked.
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09-13-2004 9:27 PM 		Reply to: Message 98 by John Williams
09-13-2004 9:19 PM

Re: Giant human unearthed in Saudi Arabia?
Perhaps you guys could explain a little more about the lighting problem?
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Sure. The light source on the skull is from the upper left. Look at the shadow below the chin and highlights on the forehead. The light on the man is coming from the upper right. Look at the high lights on his back and the shadow in front of him. Unless it was taken under two suns, didn't happen.
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Fraud and not even a good one.
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09-13-2004 10:19 PM 		Reply to: Message 100 by John Williams
09-13-2004 10:12 PM

Re: Giant human unearthed in Saudi Arabia?
If the sun was overhead you would not get the shadow under the chin and only on one side. In addition, the light is on the mans right rear sholder and not on the top of his head.
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Faked and poorly done.
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09-20-2004 8:08 PM 		Reply to: Message 105 by Lysimachus
09-20-2004 4:28 PM

Lys, this is very important.
Lys
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This is not meant as criticism, or to belittle you in anyway. But it is meant to show you how objective data is used, and more importantly, misused.
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Even a quick look at the photo showed that it was a hoax. The lighting is wrong, highlights and shadows are wrong. It was an obvious hoax.
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There was no need to read the text that went with it. It was obviously a hoax.
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If you can learn to examine other data that you come across in an objective manner, you will be less likely to get caught by such hoaxes, and there are many of them out there.
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09-20-2004 10:07 PM 		Reply to: Message 118 by Lysimachus
09-20-2004 10:00 PM

Lys
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Just look at the picture. Examine the data.
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12-17-2004 1:07 AM 		Reply to: Message 161 by arachnophilia
12-17-2004 1:05 AM

Re: Gibborism. Nephilimism etc...
Probably between 150 and 80 BCE.
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08-22-2006 2:47 PM 		Reply to: Message 194 by Head Eagle
08-22-2006 12:13 PM

Re: Palauxy River Tracks
Been there and wandered all over the area many times long ago as well. Saw no, zero, nada, zilch, none, nyet, signs of dino, human interaction. It seems it is just another way for the Biblical Creationist Ministry to get money from the gullible. Really sad and as a Christian I deplore it.
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As for the alleged museum, it is as big a joke as Dr. Dino and yet another embarsassment to all Christianity.
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