Bush is back!

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stupid crappy slow connection!This message has been edited by zephyr, 11-04-2004 11:06 AM

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another dupe...This message has been edited by zephyr, 11-04-2004 01:24 PM

...and I hope you'll excuse me while I pick myself up off the floor. Bush won big?A wartime president has never had so much trouble retaining his seat. In case you haven't been watching TV, it was a knock-down, drag-out fight to the finish. Throughout history, a sitting president in a war has won by a landslide in almost every case. Bush won by a slighly larger margin than predicted by polls, but he did not win big by any stretch of the imagination. Yes, he won the popular and electoral votes, and this time the legitimacy of his victory is not in question, but without the advantages of incumbency and wartime presidency he would not have had a prayer.I am slightly amused but mostly disappointed by the fact that you think the nation is better off because of our recent course of action. We are losing many lives and taking many times more. We're running ourselves deep into debt and manufacturing enemies around the world. Every day in tens of thousands of madrassas, children are learning that Americans and their allies are liars and murderers. They will be blowing themselves up in our faces for decades because of what we are doing right now, and the shortsighted military fervor that drives this war has only worsened the problem.We're screwing ourselves. Hard. We will be paying for this mistake for the rest of our lives.Jeff

Hangdawg, your capacity for arrogance and condescension continues to astound me as I read through this thread. You're not going to gain anybody's respect talking the way you do. Are you trying to convince us that loving Jesus makes everyone into an asshole? It's this kind of behavior that keeps me from ever wondering why I left the flock.Your boy Dubya acts nothing like the Christ he claims to follow, and the way you're addressing your "enemies" around here puts you faithfully in his footsteps.

I doubt there would be a lot of gloating around here if the outcome had been reversed. You would mostly be hearing sighs of relief.I have literally put my life at risk to serve the whims of this administration and have developed a deep sense of betrayal as I grew to see how disingenuously they have exploited the public. I also feel betrayed all the mindless people who, based on their mental complacency and resulting false understanding of established facts about 9/11, terrorism, WMD, etc, have chosen to reward liars and murderers with another 4 years of power over our lives. People will continue to die for the ambitions of these politicians.That you can backpedal and try to turn this into a casual fun-poking festival only highlights the petty and immature nature of your previous slights. Is this a serious issue or not? Make your choice and act accordingly.

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"IT'S THE MORAL DECLINE OF AMERICA, STUPID!"

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I agree with you that the moral decline of America is a huge problem. Especially the moral decline that has placed power-obsessed kilers in the highest seats of power, whence they may embark on agendas of destruction based on transparent lies. The morality espoused by today's Republican party is horrendous. It cares more about condemning the actions of those who are different from you than it does about needlessly inflicting suffering across entire nations. This morality is complete and utter bullshit. Kill in the name of freedom and democracy, but fight gay rights. Win on a an anti-abortion platform while your initiatives kill women and children by the tens of thousands, and continue to claim that you have liberated a suffering people - despite their drastically increased level of poverty and rates of violent death. It is a completely indefensible worldview.I'm not a Democrat, by the way. I supported Bush when he was first elected, but he has lost every shred of my trust and respect in the last two years. He kept his office his team successfully ran a campaign of fear, and scared people choose emotion and conviction over sensibility.

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....as Colin Powell's scandalous presentation to the UN demonstrates.

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Can you give me a reference? I've been (somewhat) under a rock for a while. I try to stay current with the duplicities of my employers but it's hard, what with the hours they have me working out here....

Ahhh. Okay. I was thinking more recent. Wasn't familiar with this speech, regardless. Thanks for the link.Things are going pretty well. Ramadan's nearly over, there hasn't been much noise in the last couple of weeks, and I'll be stateside next month, buying myself more Xmas presents than I've ever seen before.I finally saw Fahrenheit 9/11 a few nights ago. Heh... interesting. I think if he hadn't overstated some of the more tenuous connections, it would have been even more damning. Decent flick, anyway.