Bush is back!

Bush won and won big despite obvious media bias and Osama's endorsement of Kerry. This nation is better off. Reading all of your posts, I almost feel sorry for ya'll now. Don't worry. Just wait four years and you can vote for Hillary over Rudolph.

I was being somewhat sarcastic. It was funny to me that the democrats and Osama were in agreement.Osama tried to convince everyone that it was America's POLICIES that forced him to attack us. He hoped that people would say, "Oh my gosh, if we vote for Bush, he'll continue those policies and Osama will be forced to keep fighting us!"However, since Democrats had been telling us this exact same thing all along, it completely backfired on Osama and made him look afraid of Bush.

Please...Did not Jesus accept all the words of the law and the prophets and cite them as truth? Did not Jesus claim to be Lord, the beginning and the end, the same Lord of Israel, the same Lord that was with David when he killed the giant and slew the Philistines, the same Lord that was with Joshua, and Gideon, and others?Did not Jesus speak with a Roman soldier, a centurion, and commend him for his faith rather than curse him for his occupation of killing in service of the nation?Did not Jesus say there will be wars and rumors of wars until I come? Didn't he say to submit to the ruling authorities?"'Vengeance is mine, I will repay' says the Lord." but also, "The Lord your God is the One who goes with you to fight for you against your enemies to give you victory.""There is a time to kill and a time to heal... a time for war and a time for peace."In all these things wisdom is required to know when, where, how, and what to do. But you certainly cannot take one sentence Jesus spoke and turn it into an ultimatum for pacifism... ESPECIALLY when you do not even believe in God, the Lord Jesus Christ. There is no such thing as a holy war or Jihad or Christian crusade. Just wars are fought between those who desire freedom and those who wish to take it away. These so called jihadist "freedom fighters" want simply to increase their own power by creating tyrranical Islamic states. They will not be satisfied until first Jerusalem and then the whole world is muslim and under their control. Their holy book teaches them to kill anyone who is not a Muslim. The Bible teaches us to use war as a last resort in securing national freedom. PERIOD.Alright, I realize I've gotten off topic. I hate it when people refuse to look at things objectively. I'm done.

I completely agree. If Kerry had won, it would be the Hardcore Bush supporters gnashing their teeth in bitterness and despair (not me of course, my happiness doesn't depend on who wins). Yep. That's for sure.

What Kerry says he wants to do and what he will do may not be the same thing, and if you look at his record, you can make a very good prediction that he was throwing out empty promises right and left to gain as many votes as possible. What is unfortunate is that Osama can see Kerry's weakness while millions of Americans cannot. This is obviously true. America is "the great Satan" in his eyes (and the eyes of every fundamentalist muslim), which is why it is so obvious that he was trying to manipulate the vote in favor of Kerry when he changed his tune to, "America and I could get along if it weren't for Bush's danged policies."

You're so bitter and angry schraf... I guess that's the downside of being a humanist. When people fail to meet your expectations it sorta breaks your faith in mankind a little bit more.
Cheer up.

Well, at least I admire your patriotism. I hope you still have it when you've cooled off from this angry post-election fit.

Haha... Jesus is BEATING me... Crash I've read this passage many times. I don't see that it is an ultimatum for how to react to every attack from every kind of enemy in every situation in both individual and corporate contexts. Life is not that simple. And if you take Jesus' teachings on the whole this is obvious.Now a group of friends and myself go witnessing and ministering once a week into the neighborhood near our school. It is a REALLY bad neighborhood. I'm surprised a skinny white boy like me hasn't gotten shot or beaten up yet. Walking down those streets is definately a situation where this rule applies. Now if I should be beaten to death, then it is the job of the government to adminsiter justice to my murderers. Similarly, if I were say, sitting in a tower somewhere and a terrorist organization blew me up, it would be up to the national government to adminsiter justice and protect the freedom of others. That's a dumb argument. Everyone knows there are four gospels and some of them repeat things. It IS important, but that doesn't tell us anything about the wisdom needed to apply this principle. Is this true in EVERY situation? Alright, say that you're wife is raped and murdered by a paroled criminal. Are you going to beg the police to stop chasing him and send him some money? No. You're going to let the government do it's divinely ordained job and exectute the worthless bastard. All right then. Why are we even arguing? So Jesus is silent on governmental warfare policies (though he's really not since he claims to be the same Lord of the OT). You admit Jesus never says anything specifically about warring nations so he is not advocating strict pacifism.But somehow you interpret this sentence he spoke to mean that we either should never fight evil men or if we do, never fight harder than they do. I'm sorry. Thats just dumb. And this I would do, and give him more. I have a bag of goodies in my car for just such an occasion or just in case I meet a homeless dude. Show me what I have done wrong. Show me where I've failed to follow Christ with my life.

If I were Osama, I would rather face the hippie war protester who's picture is hanging in the North Korean Communist hall of fame who equivocates on the issues as directed by polls and who doesn't know the first thing about conducting a war over the guy who's killed thousands of my men and several dozen of my closest terrorist associates and who continues to search for my head.

Aww, Lam, don't tell me your hopelessly bitter, angry, depressed and vengeful too... Don't worry... we're all going to die soon so none of this will have really mattered. We're but shadows and dust... or are we?This message has been edited by Hangdawg13, 11-04-2004 05:53 PM

No, but these are "mere sheep, easily dispersed if you kill the shepherd." Our purpose is three-fold: to kill the leaders of these terrorist groups, to encourage the formation of strong free democratic governments which destroy the environment for these kind of terrorist leaders to gain and exercise power, and to grow the prosperity of these countries in order to reduce the jealousy and hatred of the mal-contents.If Islamic tyrrany dominates, poverty will dominate, jealousy and hatred will be cultivated, and doctrines of jihad against the West will be instilled in the people.In the short run, this war may drive up recruitment for OBL, but in the long run there will be no one left to organize these mal-contents into terrorist organizations and less poverty and tyrrany to produce these mal-contents.When the war began, I was very skeptical of a free democracy working in Iraq and Afghanistan. I still am. But at this point I see no other possible effective alternative given the political constrictions we are under. Doing nothing in the hopes that all of our enemies will simply lose interest in fighting us and go home is not an option. As long as fundamentalist Islam is combined with tyranny and poverty, terrorism will remain a problem even if we sit on our hands and take it.

I'm sure poloticians naturally exaggerate their future plans a little bit, but I did not hear any promises by Bush that he could not keep. On the other hand I heard many from Kerry that he could not keep.I thought it was particularly stupid when Kerry, speaking about Iraq policy, said that he would "win the peace" "set a goal to get the troops out in 6 months" and "closing the borders of Iraq." Now how the hell is he planning on closing the borders of Iraq? I'd like to know. There is no way we could close the borders of Iraq, occupy the whole freakin country, train new Iraqi law-enforcement and military personell, and get our troops out in 6 months.He also made many other pie-in-the-sky promises about domestic policy that would run the deficit up more than Bush's war on terror. He promised to do everything "better." Listening to him speak you'd think a vote for him could cure all the paralytics, save the country from the terrorists, fix our schools, and give everyone (except those nasty rich entrepenuer people who believe in the American dream) a huge tax break. I agree. I just hope it can wipe out the liberal Democratic party and split into Republican and Libertarian parties. I think this kind of competition would be much more beneficial to America. Of course, the Liberals will just resurface in a new form afterwards. He prefers anyone who would leave him the heck alone. Nader would certainly do just that. And NO ONE at CNN is biased or has their own agenda.... If it was only about creating an identity for himself, he would have been much more effective had he released the tape a few days from now as a sort of "bring it on" message to his opponent for the next four years.Anyway. I'm done. Have a good'un.

If I am underestimating them, then perhaps we should fight even harder? I know you aren't saying how hard we fight is inversely proportional to how strong our enemy is. But that is exactly what this liberal idea of appeasment leads to.As far as the shepherd bit, I really just wanted to quote Braveheart, my favorite movie, but that is partially true. I also added that killing the leaders must be accompanied by the destruction of their "terrorist breeding grounds".

Bitterness and anger are signs that your emotions are interferring with your thinking, which means you are more likely to be wrong. Yep. Why argue? You believe you're right.

I didn't know being a Christian meant I had to take everything seriously. I find your attitudes all very funny actually. I would probably find your attitudes just as funny if Kerry had won and you were all gloating over defeating Bush.There's nothing wrong with pointing out how most of you have totally lost your perspective on life through this thing. But I suppose you're right... Dale Carnegie says to never criticize condemn or complain so I'll shut up.