Bush is back!

I want to vomit.I am so ashamed of the people of my country.Here is the message that was sent this election:In order to win a presidential election, you must:1) Relentlessly fear monger to the electorate. In particular, you must appeal to the racists, the homophobes, the uneducated and unsophisticated thinkers, and the wacko Christian fundamentalists.2) Tell egregious lies about one's opponent.3) Suppress the minority vote.That's how you win electins if you are a Republican.

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I realize that the Republicans pandered to the homophobes....but the racists? Hmmm....

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Have you read anything about the interim judges that Bush appointed to temporary posts? ...and on what day did he appoint them?Also, you do know that the South swithched it's party affiliation from Democratic to Republican when Johnson signed the Civil Rights Act, right?

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Tell me, when you tell a minority group that one party is trying to "disenfranchise" them (Kerry), is that not pandering to racists or at the least inciting some racism?

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No, how do you mean?

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Is the popular vote going to Bush(leaguer) and indication that we really are a nation of white bigots?

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The people who the Republicans were able to mobilize were quite white, and don't mind the bigotry within the Republican party, apparently.

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Perhaps it is an indication that most people don't think Mr. Kerry will be able to change things as he would like, despite all good intentions.

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Have you read the study that indicates that Bush supporters are pretty much divorced from reality and actually believe even more strongly that Iraq was involved in 9/11 after the idea was debunked by the commission?

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Get the UN to support our cause, or the cause of freedom or humanity?...When is that going to happen....when has it ever happened?

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In Afghanistan.

What's that deficit looking like right now, dawg?Think it will be paid off by your children or not until your grandkids hit retirement?You can forget any Social Security check for yourself. Your kids will have to support you.

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The fact that I am male puts me in a minority group...

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...and yet, our culture is not biased to give greater benefits to women, but to men.The 1% of Americans that hold 80% of our wealth are a minority, too.Just being a minority isn't enough.

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otherwise loaded with a lota irrational rant by some disallusioned folks from America's far left.

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Far left?You mean Communists?None of us are Communists, buz.Oh, and can you explain the irrationality, or at least just the wrongness, of anything that we have said in this thread.Please be specific.If you do not, then you are just, once again, shooting your mouth off.

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I, for one, never forgot that Kerry didn't oppose the Patriot Act

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Don't forget that the Bushies printed the text of the Patriot Act over night and then forced a vote on it first thing the next morning.

Osama loves Bush, obviously.Recruiting for Al Qaida is at an all-time high since the Iraq war.100,000 civilian deaths in Iraq goes a long, long way to breeding thousands and thousands of little Osamas.Oh, and how about that deficit?Cutting taxes and increasing spending...hmmmm...how is that going to work?Oh, and you do know that fewer than 24 hours after Bush won this election he proposed lifting the deficit cap for the FOURTH time in 3 years? They wanted to do it 2 months ago but it wouldn't have looked good to do that while calling Kerry's economic plans into question.This message has been edited by schrafinator, 11-04-2004 03:48 PM

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Writhe in the streets, clench and gnash your teeth, stomp your feet and cringe and cry. Bitch, moan to your hearts content. Threaten to flee the country, quit your jobs, denounce your citizenship. If things get worse you will say I told you so, and if things get better you'll find something else to complain about.

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Not going to do anything of the sort.I'm going to get active in my local politics. I'm going to stay current with what my representatives in Congress and the Senate are doing and I'm going to become a letter-writing machine to tell my elected officials what I think.AND, I'm going to get every single person I know to do the same thing.The deficit inflating, civil rights denying, Conservative Christian wacko pandering, fear-mongering, lie-telling, rich person and corporation-protecting, war-loving extremeists will not be allowed to destroy this country without a fight.

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You're so bitter and angry schraf...

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I'd rather be bitter and angry and correct than arrogant, willfuly ignorant, and wrong.

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I guess that's the downside of being a humanist. When people fail to meet your expectations it sorta breaks your faith in mankind a little bit more.
Cheer up.

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Are you just going to ignore my questions?How's that deficit, hangdawg?How's Al Qaida recruiting since we invaded Iraq?

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Bitterness and anger are signs that your emotions are interferring with your thinking, which means you are more likely to be wrong.

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Maybe you're right and my moral outrage is clouding my judgement.Show me how I'm wrong about the deficit.Show me how I'm wrong about there being increased recruitment for Al Qaida in Iraq now compared to before our invasion.

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Yep. Why argue? You believe you're right.

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Copout.I made factual assertions.If I have my facts wrong, show me.I listen to facts.

Paisano, can you give an example of the US unilaterally invading a country, overthrowing the government, and installing a new leader friendly to us at the moment that has succeeded in producing a lasting, real democracy?IOW, when has nation-building ever worked fo us in the past?

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In this part of the country, people are talking about Roe v. Wade. Lots of fundie christians voted for W because they want that ruling overturned. I think it's likely that the battle will be joined with W's first Supreme Court apointment.

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He's going to have one hell of a fight if he tries:http://www.signonsandiego.com/...041105/news_1n5specter.htmlIn fact, this might be the issue that finally brings the infection in the Republican party to the surface.We might see the party implode as the FNeoCons and the real Republicans go at each other.

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There's nothing wrong with pointing out how most of you have totally lost your perspective on life through this thing.

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Yeah, we're sorry for being involved in and caring about what happens to our country's government and the effect the leaders we elect have on us and the rest of the world.It really is dumb and silly to take this stuff seriously, it's true.I know you are still in school and probably don't have to worry much about things like keeping your health insurance, putting a roof over your head, feeding your kids and being able to send them to college, keeping your job, taking a pay cut, getting laid off, seeing your retirement savings evaporate, seeing prices for everything go up, your civil liberties being eroded, etc.Get back to me when you are out of school and have to move back with your parents because all there is out there are McJobs.This message has been edited by schrafinator, 11-05-2004 09:20 AM

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Many would see some sort of civil union arrangement, on a state basis, as a reasonable compromise

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...except that here in Michigan, the ammendment was written so poorly and broadly that it denies all benefits and marriage to all civil unions, domestic partners, etc.In my county, the amendment was rejected 30%/70%. It's no surprise that my county is a magnet for gay couples because they already grant them domestic partner benefits, including the right to adopt children.Tell me, what are these "deep concerns" people have about gay people?