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DBlevins
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Message 97 of 298 (155646)
11-03-2004 10:45 PM
Reply to: Message 60 by Glordag
11-03-2004 4:57 PM


Re: Worst case?
Just a few thoughts about what direction this country might take and possible scenarios for the world...
With Bush's popular vote and EV win,he has a clear mandate. I think he would feel justified for the direction he is taking the country and my feeling is that he will keep on going in that direction. Why would he change something that works (Ie. evidently the majority of voters agree with him.)
He is probably going to try again to push through the gay-marriage ammendment; his supreme court appointees to replace those that retire (I think Rhenquist sp? is out and he has an appointment opportunity coming up). While he lacks enough of a majority in the senate to block a fillibuster (the republicans needed 60 to block a dem fillibuster) he has enough of a majority that he might be able to persuade some dem's to vote with the Republican's and block a fillibuster. I don't see Bush being concilitory to the democrats, in fact because of this election, I think it more likely that he will be even more conservative. He has also used his veto power and has overridden congress before.
I think this might even re-energize the neo-con's. They're not stupid and I am sure they realize their mistakes, but I think they'll just become more secretive about what they do and how they run our government. I don't see anymore invasions being conducted, but I might watch out for selective bombings of suspected "nuclear sites", or "terrorist sites". I also think that North Korea and maybe even China might start smelling an opportunity to act while our military is stuck in Iraq. I'm surprised they haven't acted earlier really, but I think they were both biding their time for a clearer opportunity to act while we were stuck with our eyes somewhere else. China's direction is harder to see. They know they are behind in military technology with the U.S., and though they have dismissed the idea that they won't act against Taiwan because it would hurt their economy and thus their rise in technology, they must see that with our military stuck in Iraq and the Bush administrations reversal of decades of ambiguous support for Taiwan it is an opportunity they might not get again.
Bush will definitly keep reversing the conservation of pristine lands (something no president has done for a very long time. Hell, even Reagan added land to be set aside as pristine, while Bush has allowed the rules governing these lands to be changed to allow oil companies to explore on and construst on.)
Bush will definitly continue support for Isreal, it's the Birthplace of Christ for God's sake...hint...hint... The palestineans, possibly leaderless (as if they really had a leader) soon, will distend into chaos, allowing the Isrealies to say "Look, these people can't govern themselves and are terrorists. So we are justified doing whatevr we want..." Bush will support the Isrealies whatevr the world thinks of their actions. This will put more strain on the mideast and I think will just add to the recruitment of terrorists against the U.S. and Isreal. Bush, if I can believe the stories I have read throughout the web (I take many with a grain of salt), is targetting Saudi Arabia for regime change as well. Iran, Syria, N.K. or China might be a diversion, but if not, I expect a lot of support for regime change there (Think the Iranian Revolution...).
Look for Ashcroft attempting to enact constitutional changes (IE. Pat. act 2) with support from this administration. Still tough but definitly easier with the dem losses and the mandate of Bushes win.

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DBlevins
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From: Puyallup, WA.
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Message 183 of 298 (156087)
11-04-2004 11:21 PM
Reply to: Message 164 by crashfrog
11-04-2004 5:08 PM


Re: Crashfrog SMASH!
Some of the founding fathers would agree with you, Crash. They felt that a revolution every now and then was good for keeping peoples liberties. In fact they felt that, through laziness or lack of education the people will allow government to become tyrannical. That the people will allow the government to abridge their liberties.
Cherish, therefore, the spirit of our people, and keep alive their attention. Do not be too severe upon their errors, but reclaim them by enlightening them. If once they become inattentive to the public affairs, you and I, and Congress, and Assemblies, Judges, and Governors, shall all become wolves.
Thomas Jefferson, letter to Edward Carrington, January 16, 1787
If a nation expects to be ignorant and free in a state of civilization, it expects what never was and never will be.
Thomas Jefferson, letter to Colonel Charles Yancey, January 6, 1816
We can not allow a tyrannical majority to abridge our liberties. It goes against the basic principles that this country was founded on.

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DBlevins
Member (Idle past 3805 days)
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Message 239 of 298 (156647)
11-06-2004 12:30 PM
Reply to: Message 227 by crashfrog
11-06-2004 1:44 AM


'Big" might not be as "Big" as it seems...
Though I am wary of even mentioning voter fraud, I don't think I would put it past Karl Rove to set something up or well-placed right-wing nutjobs with access to votes. (Wasn't there a voting machine CEO who mentioned he would try to give Bush votes?)
It seems that the e-voting machines have some irregularities in them. Several Florida voters complaining that the touch-screen machines didn't record their vote properly. I wonder how many people didn't even notice their votes were not recorded properly. The maker of the machines said "the poll workers may not have calibrated them properly." There also seemed to be irregularities in Louisiana, where machines wouldn't even boot up. (Largely Democratic or minority areas I wonder?)
In suburban Columbus, OH, Bush received about 3893 votes due to an error in e-voting machines giving him the majority in Franklin County, 4,258 votes to Democrat John Kerry's 260 votes. That is just in one precinct! Bush was supposed to receive only 365! No word from officials about errors in other parts of the state, go figure...
The point is that his margin might not be as wide as even 3.5 million voters with almost 1/3 of voters in America using some form of those machines. I seriously doubt there will be any deep investigation into how many precincts were effected by e-machine irregularities.
(most info from Cnn/Politics and Cnn/Politics)

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