Bush is back!

This is pretty depressing from my perspective. I think we can look for Bush to act as though he has a mandate to continue his policies. I wouldn't be surprised if we go to war with Syria and Iran during his second term.You should also look very closely at the evangelical christians. These people will rightly feel energized by the returns from this election. Look for more ignorance and prejudice and more restrictions on civil rights. Given the increased control of Congress by the Republicans and the near certainty that more right-wing judges will be appointed to the Supreme Court, I think it's safe to say that America will change dramatically. So long as the only freedoms you care about are the freedom to read your bible and the freedom to go to church, you should be happy.Cheers!

In this part of the country, people are talking about Roe v. Wade. Lots of fundie christians voted for W because they want that ruling overturned. I think it's likely that the battle will be joined with W's first Supreme Court apointment.The fundies I know are not going to settle for a ban on partial-birth. They want Roe overturned as quickly as possible because they regard all abortion as murder.When news headlines like "Bush Nominee Vows to Overturn Roe v. Wade" start to appear across the country I think we might see the greatest political realignment in our history.If W doesn't nominate a judge willing to overturn Roe v. Wade, I think the fundies will feel betrayed and it might be decades before they vote in such huge numbers again.It's a pleasant thought, anyway.

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I was speaking with my republican fundie friend (who I consider to be pretty knowledgeable in regards to the workings of the republican party), and he thinks it's pretty likely that the issue of abortion will be sent to the states...

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NO!!! That's exactly what I'm saying they want. In order to do that, Roe v. Wade has to be overturned. I don't think that most American women are going to stand by and allow Roe to be overturned, and I think the democrats in the Senate will do everything in their power to stop an anti-Roe nominee from getting onto the Court. The reaction across the country is likely to be bitter and divisive.Sending abortion back to the states is not going to happen without a near civil war. Mark my words.

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Like it or not, a solid majority of Americans see the gay lifestyle as voluntary, unnatural, and morally problematic.

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So you think you're right because the crowd that agrees with you is bigger than the crowd that doesn't? What grade are you in, again?

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If the minority is in their favor, they will start crying, "I'm being oppressed because they won't let me oppress others." If the majority is in their favor, they will say, "the people's have spoken, I have the right to oppress others."

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They way he put it, it sounded a lot more like "my dad is bigger than your dad". At least that's how I suppose the children are making this argument it in today's kinder, gentler America. When I was a kid it went "my dad can beat up your dad."

No, no, I think you've got it backwards. As I recall, it was you who said:

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Like it or not, a solid majority of Americans see the gay lifestyle as voluntary, unnatural, and morally problematic.

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Perhaps it was silly of me, but I thought I understood that you were in agreement with the idea that the gay "lifestyle" is voluntary, unnatural and morally problematic. As evidence for this claim, you cite the fact that your crowd is bigger than my crowd. That's not good enough.To keep things simple for you, let's start with just one of your childish assertions: that homosexuality is voluntary. Precisely what is your evidence for this?

Do you mean that utterly stupid assertion such as "gay lifestyles are volutary, unnatural and morally problematic" are to be allowed to go unchallenged?Dozens of issues are relevant to Bush's re-election. If they can't be discussed I don't know what the point of this thread is.

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My personal views are irrelevant, and not being discussed.

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Wrong on both counts. You told us what the majority of Americans think because you agree with the majority of Americans. If you didn't agree with them you'd have qualified your statement in some way. Therefore you were making an assertion.

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11 out of 11 anti-gay marriage referenda passed by overwhelming margins.

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Yes, you've made the point that most Americans agree with you. But you didn't really think that was an argument, did you? I suppose I could be wrong; perhaps you really do think it's important that your crowd is bigger than my crowd.

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I think I'm done with this board.

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Cheerio!