Existence of Demons (and Angels)

Just so you know, we EvC-ers put more credence into the reasonings behind the beliefs than the beliefs themselves. All I see in your posts are a blob of beliefs with nothing for us to work on. Allow me to rephrase what you said.

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I was wondering what people thought about the existence of demons and angels, and their interactions with our daily lives. This is a topic that has been of interest to me for a very long time, and I have done a lot of reading and researching about it.
  —Xenocrates

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I am interested in the topic of demons and angels.

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I believe that demons and angels are very real, and they are constantly influencing our daily lives whether we know it or not. A few of my more philosophical friends and I have come to the conclusion (not set in stone, of course) that demons do not actually posess anyone, i.e. they don't come take over someone's body and force them to do something, but they can go as far as having a complete but indirect control over someone by completely invading their mind and influencing them to do things.

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I believe in demons and angels, and I believe that they interact with our daily lives.

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I do not personally know anyone who has physically seen demons (I know OF people who have, and I could name a few), but I can sense demons as if they were physically there (basically, I can sense them as well as if I was physically seeing them, without actually seeing them). I also know my friend has seen demons in his mind, and he thought nothing of them until he saw a drawing made by some satanist and he could recognize the demons in the drawing.

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I don't have any evidence but I have a lot of hearsays.

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A couple books I have read that pertain to demons are This Present Darkness by Frank Peretti (and the rest of that series), The Screwtape Letters by Clives Staples Lewis (both of these books are novels-- I don't put too much weight on Peretti's book, I put a good amount on Lewis', but not as much as on nonfiction), and Spirit of the Rainforest by Mark Andrew Ritchie (nonfiction, a great book).

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This book by Pertti is interesting...

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Spirit of the Rainforest is one of the books I place the most weight on in my personal philosophy dealing with demons. It is actually written by a Yanomam (Amazon native tribe) shaman named Jungleman, and Ritchie translated, transcribled, and compiled it. The book describes the shamans' interactions with demons in graphic detail, and really shed some light on some of the finer aspects of the demons and their influence. The shaman each have their own demons that they always talk to, and they physically see them. In fact, some shaman apprently had trouble telling the real world from the spiritual one at times. It is a very good book for anyone interested in this subject.

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Yup, the book is interesting to me...Do you see where I am coming from? You haven't given us anything specific to work on.You can start by telling us some examples you know of that might give credence to your belief and we can go from there.By the way, this thread shouldn't have been approved in the first place. We already have 2 other active threads on the topic.

Trust me, you will still need to present some sort of evidence if this is to be a philosophical discussion (I am a philosophy minor). Well, I see no evidence at all, whether it is philosophical or scientific. It is ok for you to present personal experience and firsthand accounts, but at least be specific. You can't just say, "I know this guy that saw blah blah blah..." If you want this thread to go somewhere, describe what he saw and present possibilities that might explain what he saw. Again, we need something to work with otherwise there's nothing for anyone to discuss about. Again, this is way too general. It looks more like a gossip or hearsay than actually first hand experience. At least describe what the demons look like or something. Right now, there is nothing for anyone to discuss about. Ok, but you still need to be specific. Tell us where you want to go with this.

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Hate world.Revenge soon!

Oh, so now you're a chemist.Do you know what bipolar means? What does it have to do with hydrogen bonding? Tell me why ice is less dense than water even though they have the same chemical properties?

And you call that looking deeper? Very... logical... of you. Do yourself a favor and not give the same answer to your children when they ask you that question.I'm going to go Pecos style by telling you to look this up yourself, since the question/answer was only to demonstrate to you just how much you don't/can't know by your "look deep" thing.

No, since he didn't ask for any. I don't see any motivation in him at all and I don't see why I should motivate him. He can keep digging himself a bigger hole if he wants. I was hoping he'd realize how much he didn't know by making him answer such a simple question, but it turned out he didn't even stop and think about it.

But I thought you didn't need to take classes to know these things. You look deeper than these classes, remember?

But you said you see god by looking at his creation. Isn't that a contradiction?How would you like it if you build a bike for your kid and all he does is toss it aside and say he is not interested in the bike? At least pretend you like the bike.

You brought up chemistry the moment you stated something about the bonding process and how you know so much about it.

And I thank you for that, otherwise I would have had a heart attack a long time ago.

Philosophical? How did Kant "prove" the existence of god?

Actually, I'm desperately trying to show him that he is full of it. I must admit that it's not really going anywhere, not with him at least.

Oh, so now it's not philosophical anymore? What are you saying?

Hello? I'm talking about philosophy now. How did Kant prove the existence of god? It's something that every philosopher should know. I don't want the entire thing. Just tell me what Kant's basis was for his conclusion.