A question for Athiests/Evolutionists. (re: How can one not belive in something greater than himself? et all)

Hi Schrafinator,You may find me in this ID thread:http://EvC Forum: Evolution of complexity/information -->EvC Forum: Evolution of complexity/information.

It IS amazing.No. No proofs exist that you will find satisfactory. I can get the name of the doctor involved, though. But, if he is still alive and can remember the event, I'm certain he would, at most, consider it a misdiagnosis before an x-ray.I was 4. My mom and dad had just gotten involved in an Apostolic Pentecostal church that teaches that Jesus can and does still heal. At a family reunion I was hurt myself playing king-of-the-mountain. I don't recall noticing it at the reunion, but by the time we got home I do remember having pain in my leg ~ nothing unbearable as I recall. The next day mom took me to our family doctor. He had me walk around. My left foot pointed toward my right leg, and my right leg seemed a bit shorter than the left one. The doctor said it LOOKED like a fractured hip joint based on how the leg was bent, apparently. Of course x-rays were in order.Due to construction at that clinic, mom had to take me to a different hospital for x-rays. Before the x-rays, mom called dad (who wispered a prayer for me while at work) and mom bawled and prayed out loud in front of everybody in the waiting room (I think). She also promised God, that IF he would heal my leg she would visit elderly in convalescent homes. The x-ray came up okay, and my leg was fine.I leave open the possibility that the leg was NOT actually fractured, but it WAS severely twisted and shorter than the other and in some amount of pain BEFORE visiting the doctor. It was fine AFTER visiting the doctor. All the doctor did was examine me and have me x-rayed.Mom went straight to a convalescent center. She asked the attendant if anyone wanted the Bible read to them. She was taken to an old lady named Anna Barnes. Upon seeing my mom, Anna Barnes asked her, "Honey, are you Pentecostal?" My mom was and was surprised at Sister Barnes's question.Turns out Anna Barnes was also Apostolic Pentecostal, had been in that home for many years (20+ I think), and had been praying to hear Pentecostal music one more time before she died. Mom arranged for the local church to do a singing at the convalescent home. Sister Barnes (and all other elderly who wanted, and they did) were rolled out (Sister Barnes was bed-ridden) to see the singing.The next week mom was unable to visit Sister Barnes due to a flu outbreak at the convalescent home. The following week the home allowed visitors again, but Sister Barnes had died during the flu outbreak.Believe it or not, as you please.

It is because I don't remember SHARP pain that I leave open the possibility of it not being fractured. A fractured finger in high school put me straight on the ground and brought tears immediately to my eyes. Not saying I didn't have sharp pain and tears, I just don't remember it.My mom recalls the doctor saying it appeared to be fractured to him based on how I walked, how the leg was bent, etc.He figured surgery and therapy and a lifelong limp would result from the injury (the idea of my having a lifelong limp is what made my Mom upset and made her promise to God about visiting the elderly).Perhaps it was dislocated and not fractured. I will consider using the word "injured" from now on in my relating this event.But, of course, I can credit God with getting my leg back in place regardless of whether it were through my walking, through being manipulated by the technician, etc. (But I doubt this and consider it to have been healed miraculously regardless of the extent of the injury).However, my memory of the event is fairly fuzzy; so, I wouldn't expect this to turn the world upside down . I thought for many years that the doctor had fixed my leg. (I went to the doctor hurting, I left the doctor feeling good). It was only years later, when I overheard mom and dad re-telling the event that I learned it had been a miraculous event.The bigger miracle, to me, has always been the answer to Anna Barnes' prayer.

The leg does look twisted in a fashion similar to how mine had been. The caption doesn't mention anything about a twisted leg, though (unless I missed it). Nor does it indicate that dislocated hips are so easily manipulated back into place that it sometimes happens accidentally.However, I certainly don't mind you examining my claim as you are. Not at all. I am willing to say it might have been a dislocated hip, of course (as mentioned in my above post, which I posted JUST after you posted your photo), as I don't recall sharp pain and there are no x-rays to confirm the diagnoses.At least you are not accusing me or my parents of lying. I told this to one fellow (an atheist co-worker, we were fairly friendly with each other and had good discussions from time to time), and that was his reply...that my parents so wanted me to believe they made up this "miracle" to help me out. I am rarely offended, but I was a bit that time, I must say. I was also dumbfounded as he did not know my parents and knew me to be honest to a fault.

I have noted that atheists clearly have the option to disregard warnings of eternal consequences for behavior in this life. I think I have also provided various reasons why I believe their conclusion that there is no God to be illogical (on this and other threads at EvC). Beyond this, I don't recall saying too much more about them ~ especially not here at EvC. I am not sure what you have me not believing in this case. Do you mean I wouldn't believe in God? If God had given no consequences for obedience or disobedience, then I certainly might have trouble making myself obey. But this would be no reason to doubt the existence of the Lawmaker (i.e., God). This is like people ignoring man-made laws that have no serious consequences associated with them. This doesn't mean the people don't believe there are lawmakers; they just have no motivation to obey such laws.Or, do you mean I wouldn't believe there are consequences if God had not stated them? But if God does not state that there are consequences, why should I believe there are any? But He has, so I do.Some people ignore legal laws with obvious consequences and do so knowing full well there are lawmakers. But you would be like one who doubts the existence of the lawmakers. Does it matter, here on earth, if the lawbreaker doesn't believe in the lawmakers (especially in the peculiar case where he has read at least some of the law)? Won't he still be prosecuted and punished if found guilty?You have clearly demonstrated that you personally disapprove of how the God of the Bible chooses to do things. You have not disproved His existence.