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A question for Athiests/Evolutionists. (re: How can one not belive in something greater than himself? et all)

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Dr Jack
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11-24-2004 5:37 AM 		Reply to: Message 137 by TheClashFan
11-23-2004 10:46 PM

Re: Survival is amazing?
I think he does grasp what you're saying; he's dismissing it as confirmation bias.
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I suspect he's slightly underestimating and there's an element of shared upbringing and genetics as well. (edit - Doh! Noticed Jar mentioned that already.)
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11-30-2004 11:48 AM 		Reply to: Message 246 by MrHambre
11-30-2004 8:26 AM

Re: Believe or Else
This basically reduces faith to the status of conditioned behavior. Say all you want about amoral, materialistic atheists, but at least admit that your aims are as materialistic as they get. You want eternal life, you want freedom from punishment, you want the perks of the sweet afterlife that your religion promises you. Otherwise you wouldn't believe, because there wouldn't be anything in it for you.
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Just as a counter-point; my Dad was a Christian, but did not believe in heaven or any kind of afterlife.
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12-01-2004 5:24 AM 		Reply to: Message 249 by Dan Carroll
11-30-2004 11:56 AM

Re: Believe or Else
I'm curious... and I don't mean this as a "nuh-uh! Your Dad wasn't a Christian, then!"... how does that work? Doesn't it leave a pretty big hole in the theology? I mean... the whole point of Jesus being sent to Earth was supposed to be so we had a shot at getting into heaven.
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I'm afraid I don't know. I never discussed it with him before he died.
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