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Author Topic:   A question for Athiests/Evolutionists. (re: How can one not belive in something greater than himself? et all)
TheClashFan
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Message 1 of 282 (161638)
11-19-2004 9:24 PM


I do not intend on sounding airy or mad, but I do have a question regarding faith. How can one not belive in something greater than himself? How can one go through life's difficulties and be unable to always know that at least one person loves you? At times, it is my only comfort knowing that God loves me, and I cannot understand how one can go through life without belief in something. Can anyone give me a good reason on why they do not belive in any omnipotent being or diety?

Better to be silent and thought a fool than to open your mouth and prove it.

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TheClashFan
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Message 5 of 282 (161651)
11-19-2004 9:44 PM
Reply to: Message 4 by sidelined
11-19-2004 9:36 PM


First of all, thank you both. Secondly, I can face my problems alone, but...let's say that I might have made even more problems without God. Aren't either of you worried about OTHER things messing with your lives? Things that you may not be able to see or notice? I shudder at thinking that many people do not know that they are still at risk of OTHER evil. I do not fear being alone, socially, I am anyways, and at home I'm...well, lets not go there. Twice I have gone through a problem that I couldn't face alone, yet no one on earth was aware that I was facing it so I guess that does affect my faith. Again, thank you.

Better to be silent and thought a fool than to open your mouth and prove it.

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TheClashFan
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Message 6 of 282 (161652)
11-19-2004 9:45 PM
Reply to: Message 4 by sidelined
11-19-2004 9:36 PM


PS
P.S, I love your sig. I may not be an athiest, but that is very cool.

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TheClashFan
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Message 8 of 282 (161656)
11-19-2004 9:52 PM
Reply to: Message 3 by Asgara
11-19-2004 9:35 PM


I agree with the part on being forced into something. It embarasses me greatly that men of my faith(Christianity) once slaughter innocent people because they would not convert. Many religions, if you look close enough, are derived from the same place. My family has a theory that several religions throughout the world are kind of like Christianity. Buddism, for example. Many worship Buddah himself, but there are others who call him a prophet of one god, whom I think is the God. Anyways....back to the subject... I must also admit that many of the Christian faith who just talk to random people about God may be pushing it.

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TheClashFan
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Message 11 of 282 (161660)
11-19-2004 10:06 PM
Reply to: Message 9 by Asgara
11-19-2004 9:54 PM


OTHER evil is demons. I just don't like the word. Demons mess with people who are of other religions, and those who embrace no religion. That is why I choose to be a Christian, I must add. By being on God's side of the fence, they can mess with me, but I can counter them and protect myself.

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TheClashFan
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Message 12 of 282 (161661)
11-19-2004 10:08 PM
Reply to: Message 10 by sidelined
11-19-2004 9:58 PM


I really don't want to say the exact problem I faced because mum looks over my shoulder sometimes, and I don't want to bother her with it.

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TheClashFan
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Message 16 of 282 (161666)
11-19-2004 10:15 PM
Reply to: Message 13 by Asgara
11-19-2004 10:09 PM


Aha! Point taken, but I am sure that they exist beacause I have known their work and...well, you all think I'm mad, and if I continue, I am sure that that is all anyone will take me for. I don't really have proof, but I have my senses, and especially my eyes.

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TheClashFan
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Message 19 of 282 (161672)
11-19-2004 10:25 PM
Reply to: Message 17 by Asgara
11-19-2004 10:18 PM


Well, I don't mean to condem anyone really, I just forget my manners. In explaination to my post on why I belive in OTHER things, here: I belive that I have seen them, and I am not the only one who has. For a time, our house had a bad vibe, if you can understand. It just didn't feel right, and for the longest time, we were all seeing black streaks, or white spots that weren't really there. Dad finally asked us when we got a black cat, and we told him that we hadn't ever had one, so mum got busy cleaning the house spiritually. So there's why I belive in them. At school, I think that I can sometimes see them in the halls.
Go ahead, think that I am mad, but I belive that these things are what they are. Have any of you seen strange flashes of color or shadows in your homes that you could have sworn were there?
Have any of you fell just badly, as if the area had suddenly darkened for no reason?

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TheClashFan
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Message 21 of 282 (161677)
11-19-2004 10:59 PM
Reply to: Message 20 by One_Charred_Wing
11-19-2004 10:33 PM


Re: You're not mad. Be happy!
No, they wouldn't. Oh, and mum says this: God was the first scientist. I know thats a bit random, but she says it none the less. I know that most people reading these posts do think that I'm a nut, but I could just bet that if you looked through your life hard enough, no matter your religion or lack of religion, you will find something unexplained that has affected you. My family friends that are very in depth in the Bible see the same things we see, though I know this isn't proof to anyone who hasn't met them. And yes, I know this is getting off topic a bit.

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TheClashFan
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Message 23 of 282 (161681)
11-19-2004 11:15 PM
Reply to: Message 22 by sidelined
11-19-2004 11:06 PM


I agree with the statement on how the mind can sometimes fool the senses, and I am affraid that I can only reply to that with another piece of spiritual reasoning that can be disproved by science. Some claim to have a "spiritual" sense, and I suppose that's how I distinguish my mind wanderings from supernatural events that I experiance. It's sort of like when the hair on the back of your neck stands up when your around a pervert or bad person. Does that help? In a way, you just know that it's evil and there to harm or lead you astray. I am starting to understand why some people choose not to have a religion since I cannot even explain my beliefs very well, nor can I offer any proof. I guess thats what makes it FAITH.

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TheClashFan
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Message 25 of 282 (161687)
11-19-2004 11:50 PM
Reply to: Message 24 by PurpleYouko
11-19-2004 11:44 PM


Thank you for the link, I didn't know that they talked about that kind of thing here.

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TheClashFan
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Message 29 of 282 (161820)
11-20-2004 1:43 PM
Reply to: Message 27 by lfen
11-20-2004 12:59 PM


That's very funny, but I have to defend George Bush since I am a young republican and Christian. I don't belive that they are demons, but they could be led astray BY demons.

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TheClashFan
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Message 31 of 282 (161824)
11-20-2004 1:54 PM
Reply to: Message 30 by Adminnemooseus
11-20-2004 1:51 PM


Re: G.W. Bush - the "Coffee House" forum
Again, sorry for straying, but when one speaks to another face to face, you don't always stay directly on topic either.

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TheClashFan
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Message 33 of 282 (161835)
11-20-2004 2:10 PM
Reply to: Message 32 by sidelined
11-20-2004 2:03 PM


Re: It's a matter of choice
But God is everywhere, and if you look for Him, you can find Him no matter who you are. For example, I find God in places of undisturbed nature and in animals.

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TheClashFan
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Message 43 of 282 (161901)
11-20-2004 5:33 PM
Reply to: Message 35 by sidelined
11-20-2004 2:29 PM


Re: It's a matter of choice
Its difficult to explain but I will try. When I see a place untouched by men, I see the beauty and purity of God's love and dedication. When I see animals in their wild and natural state, I see His attention to detail. Its really metophoric, I should say. I don't really see His face, but I see a form of Him.

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