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Author Topic:   A question for Athiests/Evolutionists. (re: How can one not belive in something greater than himself? et all)
mike the wiz
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Message 72 of 282 (162128)
11-21-2004 8:41 PM
Reply to: Message 57 by lfen
11-20-2004 7:46 PM


Speaking figuratively of behaviour as being demonic, or someone possessed I understand but I don't think that means we can profit at all from invoking demons as a serious explanatory principle. Again it's science that has made some strides in treating these conditions.
I known a man who - when asked to believe in Jesus - lost his addictions to drugs and alcohol. The problem with real life, is that - you don't say in these circumstances, "Hey - hang on a minute, we'll do an experiment". Think about it, the man was looking for a place to get high - he gave Jesus a go, and now he hasn't touched any drugs for twenty four years.
The authority of people can be given away, by looking at the bible.
Example; What would happen if Jesus said yes to satan's Kingdoms of this world? Firstly, why would satan have kingdoms of this world?
The biblical explanation suffices. When I man wilfully chooses to sin - he hands over his authority. Don't believe me? Read Genesis one, where God says what his intentions for man are. So man has authority.
Conclusion; You don't need to be possesed to do evil acts, but that doesn't mean there are not spiritual wickedness in high places, or evil. Jesus says only God is good, and the heart is desperately wicked.
One who is drunken will braul, was his hand forced? He understands not why he gets violent - yet he chooses to drink. Will science be useful to him?
Take this as a Christian perspective on the matter.

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mike the wiz
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Message 77 of 282 (162138)
11-21-2004 9:00 PM
Reply to: Message 75 by TheClashFan
11-21-2004 8:52 PM


Re: Any omnipotent being allows evil to exsit
Yes. Paul who was saul says that death was like a king who reigned because we chose sin.
And you are correct, we should blame the attacker - as his actions are still essentially evil.
I find it amusing that people would say evil doesn't exist, and describe killing, say - a young child - as something else. Yet blame God for OT killings. Lol. This is the problem with unbelievers - they'll attack the hell out of you for supporting the bible, and say God is evil, yet they'll then say that evil doesn't exist - and a child murderer is not evil.
Dodgy manifold mental atheistic gymnastics goes on in this place, that's for sure.

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mike the wiz
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Message 103 of 282 (162308)
11-22-2004 10:13 AM
Reply to: Message 92 by sidelined
11-21-2004 9:43 PM


Re: Any omnipotent being allows evil to exsit
First off before I start thank you for the short alias in small letters
No problem. Ofcourse, it's just my name, so - it wasn't on purpose.
In fact, I doubt very much if the child were mine that the one who commited the crime could hope that mercy would be dealt him by myself because I would inflict suffering that he could not imagine in his worst nightmare
Would this not be evil? Would it be justice?
If God's wrath was multiplied by one thousand, would it be justice, vengeance, or evil?
So then, even you can imagine a circumstance where an evil is just.
The Isaiah quote, I really have heard that one so many times at various forums, can we just skip it? No offense, but I'm just bored with dealing with it and no one listens to my answer anyway.
Notice anything in that quote that relates to what you would do to a child-murderer?
CLue; In which way would God create evil - and in what cirumstance, or for what reason?.......Well - I can *hope* you get my point.
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Crashfrog; It doesn't matter how debate works - if someone says God is evil, and then they say evil doesn't exist in another thread - how am I supposed to convert to such confused positions?
If you're so good at reasoning as an atheist - can you reason why you butt in for no apparent reason other than to boost your male ego?

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