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Author Topic:   A question for Athiests/Evolutionists. (re: How can one not belive in something greater than himself? et all)
sidelined
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Message 161 of 282 (163146)
11-25-2004 6:53 AM
Reply to: Message 157 by TheClashFan
11-24-2004 11:07 PM


Re: Survival is amazing?
TheClashFan
When we do investigation of the world we are neither male nor female we are thinking human beings.Stupidity recognizes no barrier in the sexes and is blind to race religion and morals.So is intelligence.We are all mixtures of these two and the unique aspect of scientific investigation is that it is open to all.These methods of investigation were arrived at by trial and error.The greatest minds in any field of study have realized that error is a source of understanding and those who make the most errors have also made the greatest number of attempts to penetrate into the workings of nature.
We all need to use the critial thinking skills that have been developed over time by those who have learned to avoid the fallacies of human thinking.By keeping records we are able to see when actual phenomena are occuring and when we learn to avoid the human biases we are better able to convince others of the validity of such.

"Calling Atheism a religion is like calling bald a hair color."
--Don Hirschberg

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sidelined
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Message 262 of 282 (165280)
12-05-2004 1:06 AM
Reply to: Message 199 by TheClashFan
11-27-2004 5:43 PM


TheClashFan
Some war is necessary. Again I state: HUMANS ARE STILL TO BLAME, DEMONS ARE MERELY THE CAUSE!
This is an abrogation of responsibilty for your own actions.You are responsible for your actions are you not?
belive in demons because I have seen them, and I have known their persuasion.
At last we can do a scientific investigation of demons.If you can see them this means that they are an electromagnetic phenomena since your vision responds to the 400nm to 700nm range of the electomagnetic spectrum.You can therefore photograph the same phenomena.Please do so and you can end all this debate aginst your viewpoint.Why would you not want to offer evidence?
Also remember that the president does not position the armies or set up attacks.
Such is the grotesuqe position of politicians especially those that are president or prime minister.Rather than having the balls to own up to the bad as well as the good of their decisions they sluff it off to some imaginary scapegoat {God,Nation,fate etc.}
Thus the words of a world war one poet ring true even today.
It seemed that out of the battle I escaped
Down some profound dull tunnel, long since scooped
Through granites which Titanic wars had groined.
Yet also there encumbered sleepers groaned,
Too fast in thought or death to be bestirred.
Then, as I probed them, one sprang up, and stared
With piteous recognition in fixed eyes,
Lifting distressful hands as if to bless.
And by his smile, I knew that sullen hall;
With a thousand fears that vision's face was grained;
Yet no blood reached there from the upper ground,
And no guns thumped, or down the flues made moan.
"Strange, friend," I said, "Here is no cause to mourn."
"None," said the other, "Save the undone years,
The hopelessness. Whatever hope is yours,
Was my life also; I went hunting wild
After the wildest beauty in the world,
Which lies not calm in eyes, or braided hair,
But mocks the steady running of the hour,
And if it grieves, grieves richlier than here.
For by my glee might many men have laughed,
And of my weeping something has been left,
Which must die now. I mean the truth untold,
The pity of war, the pity war distilled.
Now men will go content with what we spoiled.
Or, discontent, boil bloody, and be spilled.
They will be swift with swiftness of the tigress,
None will break ranks, though nations trek from progress.
Courage was mine, and I had mystery;
Wisdom was mine, and I had mastery;
To miss the march of this retreating world
Into vain citadels that are not walled.
Then, when much blood had clogged their chariot-wheels
I would go up and wash them from sweet wells,
Even with truths that lie too deep for taint.
I would have poured my spirit without stint
But not through wounds; not on the cess of war.
Foreheads of men have bled where no wounds were.
I am the enemy you killed, my friend.
I knew you in this dark; for so you frowned
Yesterday through me as you jabbed and killed.
I parried; but my hands were loath and cold.
Let us sleep now . . ."
"None will break ranks though nations trek from progress."
Leaders will not see the horrors that they inflict as they are blindered with whatever agenda they choose to follow and so innocent people merely wishing to live and breathe and speak their mind without fear from either their own government or those who would seek to liberate them will continue to die
But then leaders only get their leadership through we who give them the power to do so.It often does good to train the microscope of inspection upon oneself as well doesn't it?
This message has been edited by sidelined, 12-05-2004 01:09 AM

"Calling Atheism a religion is like calling bald a hair color."
--Don Hirschberg

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sidelined
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Message 274 of 282 (165579)
12-06-2004 7:30 AM
Reply to: Message 272 by Phat
12-06-2004 6:58 AM


Re: Why I cant believe in something greater than me...
Phatboy
Well I for one doubt this is authentic and I do suppose it would require some investigation to determine where it originated.Since Einstein did not believe in a personal god but equated god with nature then perhaps this would be possible though unlikely.
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