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Topic: Big Bang - Big Dud
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crashfrog
Member (Idle past 1497 days) Posts: 19762 From: Silver Spring, MD Joined: 03-20-2003
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Does everybody know what the first law of thermodynamics says? Matter cannot be created nor destroyed. Observation: Nuclear reactions produce energy by destroying matter. Conclusion: Either 1) nuclear reactions violate thermodynamics, or 2) You don't know what the hell you're talking about.
This law states that in a frictionless environment, remember above it said all the matter in the universe was concentrated, if a spinning object brakes up the pieces will spin in the same direction as the original object. Conclusion 2 confirmed. You don't know what you're talking about. How about you try supporting your statements of these principles from actual scientific resources rather than from memory? You've misquoted both thermodynamics and conservation of angular momentum.
Evolution is every bit as much as a religion as creation is. Woah, hang on a second. We're talking about cosmology here. When did you change the subject to evolution?
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crashfrog
Member (Idle past 1497 days) Posts: 19762 From: Silver Spring, MD Joined: 03-20-2003
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Message 61 of 287 (98209)
04-06-2004 8:10 PM
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Reply to: Message 60 by sidelined
04-06-2004 8:04 PM
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Failing to see the distinction between mass and matter is even more serious. What has mass that isn't matter? What is matter that doesn't have mass? It's no surprise to me that mass and matter are conflated if you never have one without the other.
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crashfrog
Member (Idle past 1497 days) Posts: 19762 From: Silver Spring, MD Joined: 03-20-2003
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Just for fun and a little trivia can you from memory name the first organic chemical ever synthesized? Urea?
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crashfrog
Member (Idle past 1497 days) Posts: 19762 From: Silver Spring, MD Joined: 03-20-2003
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Message 82 of 287 (101236)
04-20-2004 2:59 PM
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Reply to: Message 81 by rineholdr
04-20-2004 1:51 PM
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So your saying that after a neuclear reation takes place you have more energy than when you started? More energy and less mass, as far as I understand it. Of course you could consider that mass as potential energy, so the math works out.
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crashfrog
Member (Idle past 1497 days) Posts: 19762 From: Silver Spring, MD Joined: 03-20-2003
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The Big Bang in the essence of its words is an explosion. It's simply explained - you've misunderstood. The Big Bang is not an explosion. It really is just that simple. It's not an explosion. It's an expansion of the volume of the observable universe; an expansion that continues to this day. You're making much hay about the fact that its called the "Big Bang", but you need to understand that that name was not how the developers of the theory called it; that was the name crafted by its opponents to discredit the theory. It's catchy but it really has nothing but a surface similarity to the specifics of the theory.
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crashfrog
Member (Idle past 1497 days) Posts: 19762 From: Silver Spring, MD Joined: 03-20-2003
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I have a soul and I would rather be a masterpiece of Creation than an evolutionary process. I can appreciate that, but what does what you'd like to be true have to do with what is true?
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crashfrog
Member (Idle past 1497 days) Posts: 19762 From: Silver Spring, MD Joined: 03-20-2003
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So evolution's true? do you really believe that? It's not possible to know what is true, because of a philosophical problem called "solipcism". But I believe that evolution is the most accurate scientific model of the history and diversity of life on Earth, including the human species. And that's it. It's not a theory about the formation of the universe or the origin of the first living things, so naturally I don't believe it explains those things. All it explains is the diversity and history of species on Earth, and it does that very, very well.
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crashfrog
Member (Idle past 1497 days) Posts: 19762 From: Silver Spring, MD Joined: 03-20-2003
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How do I know that's true? If it's not possible to know what is true Yes, exactly.
Absolute truth has to be present in this world otherwise everything is a delusion. Maybe everything is a delusion, but a delusion so convincing it can't be distinguished from the truth. Again, you're making the mistake of letting what you would like to be true determine what you think is true.
If evolution is not the answer to the origin of the first living things and the formation of the universe then where do you go? Down the hall, to the chemistry and cosmology departments. Evolution is a theory of biology. It explains nothing but how species diversify and change over time.
aside from this I would like to know how the "unfolding" of the universe caused the Earth's placement to be so exact that if it was farther or closer away from the sun, we would freeze or burn up respectively. How can anyone win the lottery if one number higher or lower means they don't win at all? It's the same question. Exactly how precise do you think Earth's orbit has to be? After all the Earth's orbit is elliptical; it ranges from 147 million km from the Sun to as far as 152 million km. That's a difference of 5 million km, but we neither freeze in July (aphelion) nor fry in January (perihelion).
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crashfrog
Member (Idle past 1497 days) Posts: 19762 From: Silver Spring, MD Joined: 03-20-2003
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You're claiming that since everything might be a delusion no person can find truth. Does our whole humanity submit to possibile lies? No, it means that we have to accept our models of the natural world on a tentative basis, and continually refine them in the light of additional data. In other words, we have to practice science.
Why are you here? In Missouri? Because I moved here.
Are we merely life-forms with no eternal purpose just to rot in our grave and be forgotten? If you can't come up with the answers yourself, I can't help you. If its so hard for you to come up with a purpose for yourself that you need an infinitely powerful being to do it for you, then you simply don't have enough imagination.
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crashfrog
Member (Idle past 1497 days) Posts: 19762 From: Silver Spring, MD Joined: 03-20-2003
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This is illogical since, given his infinite power, he could have created everything with out the the billions of years. Oh? You're smart enough to second-guess God?
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crashfrog
Member (Idle past 1497 days) Posts: 19762 From: Silver Spring, MD Joined: 03-20-2003
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Obviously you are otherwise you would believe that he created this universe. Hey, I'm not the one that believes in him, and I'm certainly not the one here who's attempting to speak on his behalf.
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crashfrog
Member (Idle past 1497 days) Posts: 19762 From: Silver Spring, MD Joined: 03-20-2003
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This sounds to me like changing answers to one question: How did everything come to be as it is today? Yes, the answers change as our knowledge increases. Why does that bother you? Should we never change our minds about anything, even when it's obvious that we're wrong?
Crash, you didn't even answer my question. There might be a number of reasons why that might be so. For instance, perhaps I have yet to decide what my purpose is. Or perhaps the process that led me to that purpose was so painful or personal that I don't feel compelled to lay out my life story to be picked over by the likes of you. Or maybe I just don't find the question all that important. Can you even imagine that? A person who's genuinely not all that interested in his "purpose"? I doubt it. No, I'm not answering your question. It's certainly not on topic in this thread for me to do so.
Why are YOU unique from everyone else? What on Earth makes you think I think I am?
Evolution and the Big Bang cannot answer these questions. Exactly correct. Therefore your questions are not on topic in this thread.
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crashfrog
Member (Idle past 1497 days) Posts: 19762 From: Silver Spring, MD Joined: 03-20-2003
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It doesn't bother me but it should bother you and others who follow the same logic. Why? I'd rather be mostly right, and getting righter, than eternally and unchangingly wrong.
Knowledge about our universe will probably always increase but what about the truth? Since it can't be known, who cares?
Portraying these theories as fact is hypocrisy Who is? Don't blame us because you can't tell the difference between tentativity and certainty.
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crashfrog
Member (Idle past 1497 days) Posts: 19762 From: Silver Spring, MD Joined: 03-20-2003
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This life is short, you better figure it out. Why?
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crashfrog
Member (Idle past 1497 days) Posts: 19762 From: Silver Spring, MD Joined: 03-20-2003
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Because you only get one life unless you believe in reincarnation You don't seem to understand, so let me make it more clear: what makes you think that I'm interested in having a "purpose"?
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