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daaaaaBEAR Inactive Member |
I have yet to decide what my purpose is This life is short, you better figure it out.
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daaaaaBEAR Inactive Member |
Why? Because you only get one life unless you believe in reincarnation (make you sure you reincarnate into a rich family). Exodus 9:16"But I have raised you up for this very purpose, that I might show you my power and that my name might be proclaimed in all the earth." John 3:16"For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life."
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daaaaaBEAR Inactive Member |
You don't seem to understand, so let me make it more clear: what makes you think that I'm interested in having a "purpose"? Human nature, the longing for something this world cannot satisfy. I won't spurt Bible passages at you. How can someone live without a purpose for living? I'll change my question. What happens after you die?After you leave this life that you wished would have been longer? What then?
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daaaaaBEAR Inactive Member |
This is not something I waste time worrying about. Your right, it's probably not wise to worry about dying. But if you believe in heaven and hell/God and Satan then you better start to ponder where your going on Judgment Day. Of course one is obviously able to live just by living but what's the point? To merely exist?
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daaaaaBEAR Inactive Member |
The main reason why I see the Big Bang as a dud is because there's no scientific law that allows something to come from nothing. If there was nothing in the universe to begin with then how was their a natural beginning? It's impossible.
I think its funny how this colossal flaw is ignored while many theories that try to explain the Big Bang AFTER the fact that there was nothing in which to even commence the Big Bang. I also keep hearing that the "Big Bang" is more of an expansion. Why not change the name to the "Big Expansion". It would save a lot of petty arguments.
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daaaaaBEAR Inactive Member |
Well, putting the BB aside for the moment: you are wrong. It is possible for something to come from "nothing". It happens all the time. Try a google on virtual particles or the casimir effect. this is the definition of the Casimir effect>>>"In 1948 Dutch physicist Hendrik B. G. Casimir of Philips Research Labs predicted that two uncharged parallel metal plates will be subject to a force pressing them together. This force is only measurable when the distance between the two plates is extremely small, on the order of several atomic diameters. This attraction is called the Casimir effect." If the virtual particles truly came from nothing then there would be no metal plates. The metal plates are something. Does this phenomenon happen when there are no plates? I don't see how the Casimir effect supports the something-from-nothing theory since there is already matter present to cause the forces in between the metal plates.
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daaaaaBEAR Inactive Member |
And of course the Casimir Effect still works without the metal plates - it's just a helluva lot harder to measure it that way. From what I've read it sounds like it only happens when the plates are present. What are you talking about? "The Casimir effect is a small attractive force which acts between two close parallel uncharged conducting plates. It is due to quantum vacuum fluctuations of the electromagnetic field."
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daaaaaBEAR Inactive Member |
If there's any other believable instances of something resulting from nothing then I would like to hear them. Maybe small electromagnetic waves can be created but how is enough energy created to spark the growth of an enormous universe?
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daaaaaBEAR Inactive Member |
So if the plates are not present then you can't detect the effect? Then how do you know it's there?
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daaaaaBEAR Inactive Member |
No, i didn't even google. What does this prove though? All I hear is scientific ramble and in no way any sound arguments to support the Big Bang. So something can come from nothing? How does this apply to the Big Bang?
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daaaaaBEAR Inactive Member |
Notice that I asked a question, not made a statement.
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daaaaaBEAR Inactive Member |
Trying to convince an evolutionist of God's creation is like trying to convince a blind man that your shirt is red. You know its red but there's nothing you can say to the blind man that will make him take your word for it.
Energy can't be created (by natural laws) or destroyed. it's as simple as that. If the example of virtual particles is true then we can just throw out the first law of thermodynamics, right? And there continues the mad circle of theories replaced by new ones to reaffirm an ever present lie. The Big Bang is a joke.
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daaaaaBEAR Inactive Member |
In a classical universe, you would be right. We don't live in that universe. We live in a quantum universe where, in fact, you can create energy from nothing, provided that you create opposing energy at the same time, so that the net energy gain is zero. The gain is zero. nothing has been gained.
Funny that the only one who seems to believe that vacumn tension energy violates thermodynamics is you. Why do you suppose that is? I have no idea but if the only energy that doesn't contradict the first law of thermodynamics is what you speak of then how did the Big Bang happen, was IT in a vacuum?
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daaaaaBEAR Inactive Member |
How is anything else "shakey" if the answer to this particular question is "We don't know."? The origin of the universe is about 14 billion years ago. To now know the details at that instant does not mean that we can't know a lot about everything after that. If you wish to have God there, then, for now, you may. I don't see what that accomplishes though. The orginal matter all of sudden appearing is the whole foundation for the Big Bang, am I wrong? Without something appearing out of nothing the Big Bang never would have happened. 14 billion years, wow, that's a long time. It's funny how we can't have faith in the eternal God and yet think our earth is 14 BILLION years old. The thing about the Big Bang is since you don't know how the original matter came to exist, then it can only be speculated that the original matter/energy did, in fact,come from nothing. Creationists can't go back to when they believed that God formed the heavens and the earth. We both don't know. But what I hear from evos is that they base their theories on the most likely explanation, while you may not be able to comprehend an all-powerful creator, how do you comprehend an entire universe popping out of nowhere? Your presupposition is to only embrace explanations that are scientific/natural processes and my presupposition is to embrace God's word.
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daaaaaBEAR Inactive Member |
don't wet your pants on details, I still have a hard time believing the universe or anything has been around for 14 billion years, and it's not a lack of imagination. If our whole existence was formed over 14 billion years things would be in pretty good order if it took that long, from what I see in the world, it's falling apart.
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