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Message 226 of 303 (201185)
04-22-2005 11:36 AM
Reply to: Message 223 by PaulK
04-22-2005 11:17 AM


Re: Now the thread has arrived at miracles.
The only claim that I am suggesting is that God is the source of knowledge. Surely He forbids us not to think! I am unconcerned with science except when science is used along with other human wisdom to define a belief. Since science cannot define God, God is never included in the definition. Just as some are concerned when religion is used to define science, I am concerned when man defines reality pertaining to origan.

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Phat
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Message 230 of 303 (201191)
04-22-2005 11:47 AM
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04-22-2005 11:39 AM


Re: Now the thread has arrived at miracles.
Oops...yeah you were talking with faith. My reply was "in general".

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Message 247 of 303 (201452)
04-23-2005 1:12 PM
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04-23-2005 12:21 PM


Re: Now the thread has arrived at miracles.
Schraf writes:
In fact, only a small minority of believers consider the Bible to be factually true in all things.
The vast majority of Christians do not.
The only thing that matters in the facts is the question of who Jesus Christ is.
If a belief says that He is no longer alive and is a mere man, that belief is not a Christian belief. At best, it is a Pseudophilosophical belief. We are dealing with the source of wisdom, again. Christian belief would by and large agree that at a macro level at least, life was created. Intelligence was created.
Any intelligent Christian is unconcerned so much with evolution on earth. We are concerned with the philosophy of the origin of life in general. The origin of conscious intelligence.
It concerns me when conscious intelligence itself uses logic and reasoning to define its own existence and purpose while bypassing the obvious source, which is a Creator.
As to whether the Bible is factually true, only THIS truth...the identity of the Creator...found in the idea of His Son...really matters.

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Phat
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Message 250 of 303 (201517)
04-23-2005 3:17 PM
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04-23-2005 1:56 PM


Re: Now the thread has arrived at miracles.
Schraf writes:
However, who am I (or you) to tell someone that they aren't a "real Christian" if they consider themselves one, even if they think that Jesus was a mere man?
By the same token, who are you to tell a guy who believes that the earth is 6000 years old that they are not a real scientist?
By your definition of science, right?
And so I judge Christians based on an orthodox definition of Christianity.

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