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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1475 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Any you think that the flood waters would minimize the impacts? LOL ! LOL! The water, even kilometers of it, may as well not be there. These things vaporize holes in the rock that are kms deep! Then of course, you have the many, many more that are only the size of meteor creator in Arizona. A baby, a rock only about 150 feet across; but you would have 1,000's of them in your one year. This "baby" hit with the force of 1,000 hiroshimas. hitting water all that energy produces a fair amount of steam and some really nasty winds. Well, you weren't there and neither was I but if only Noah and family were around and none of them hit in their neck of the woods, and they DID hit water, there is no reason to think that even that enormous kind of impact would have been felt by Noah and clan any more than the devastation of the flood already overwhelmed them. Why would a ton of them hitting Arizona, Texas, Libya, Canada etc. be a problem for Noah?
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1475 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Your "not close" Kazakhstan impact is 14 kms across. How close do you want to be to the site where an impactor that makes a hole of that size comes in? I think you had better stop guessing when you intuition isn't primed to handle the magnitude of these events. Well but you are guessing too and you don't know how close Noah was to the Kazakhstan hits and you don't know whether the impact was in water or wet earth or whatnot. My guessing is as good as yours I dare say.
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arachnophilia Member (Idle past 1374 days) Posts: 9069 From: god's waiting room Joined: |
So is the idea that they are "associated with mass extinctions" an interpretation of data, not fact in itself. there is crater off the yucatan that matches a date for something called the k-t boundary. the boundary is a line in the geological column that exists all over the world, with a high concentration of iridium in it. iridium is not common on earth. the k-t line also marks the end of the reign of the dinosaurs. no dinosaurs are found above k-t. the geological column an be shown to have been laid down sequentially, not all at once, because of angular unconformities. for the life of me, i have never once seen a creationist explain angular unconformities, thus changing the law of superposition. so it stands to reason that a big object from space hit the earth, and killed off the dinosaurs. feel free to suggest another way to read the data.
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NosyNed Member Posts: 9004 From: Canada Joined: |
Why would a ton of them hitting Arizona, Texas, Libya, Canada etc. be a problem for Noah? The larger ones when impacting one at a time release enough energy to devistate the earth's climate. They effects are world wide. A smaller one hitting water would produce an enormous tsunami. How big would the tsunami's be and how far do the effects reach on uninterrupted ocean? For the big ones I don't think Noah would be far enough away anywhere on Earth. And there will be major impacts every few days.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1475 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Wouldn't the impact evidence have to happened after the flood if a young earth were a fact? It seems to me that the deluge that dug the Grand Canyon and all the other things it supposedly did would have erased any impact evidence from the previous 2000 or so years since creation. The idea wasn't that they occurred before the flood but during it or soon after, somehow connected with the whole global catastrophe. How about the IMPACTING effect of such a strike, packing the earth around it, making the impression pretty permanent. They only had to survive a year or less. Or some may have occurred after the water receded, in wet earth. You guys are guessing, I'm guessing. You have ideas of what kind of impact they would create but nobody witnessed them to say for sure.
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arachnophilia Member (Idle past 1374 days) Posts: 9069 From: god's waiting room Joined: |
but if only Noah and family were around and none of them hit in their neck of the woods, and they DID hit water, there is no reason to think that even that enormous kind of impact would have been felt by Noah and clan any more than the devastation of the flood already overwhelmed them. q. was noah any good at surfing? got a pool in your backyard? go drop a stone in it. what happens? does it make a ripple? now drop a bigger stone. now THROW the bigger stone. now get a cinder block. noticing a trend here? remember columbia when it came down, god rest their souls? what happened to it? did it light on fire? now imagine a 6-mile wide stone hurtling down into the water at terminal velocity, super-heated by the friction of the air. like ned said, the water may as well not even be there. in fact, i'll go a step further and say it wasn't, even if there was a flood. the fire and brimstone from the sky would have evaporated the water into steam before the rock even hit. so if noah survived the gigantic tidal waves (we're talking miles high here), the steam would have cooked him.
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ringo Member (Idle past 443 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Faith writes:
God tells us a lot that isn't in the Bible. If you want to know what the weather is like, look out the window. If you want to know about comets, etc., look at the physical evidence. God doesn't tell us EVERYTHING. "Most likely" and "could have" is no way you interpret the Bible. "Most likely" Noah painted the Ark red, because barn paint is cheap. But it ain't in the Book.
...none really close enough to have been noted by Noah and clan.
So, Noah didn't mention the comet/meteor strikes to whoever wrote Genesis because he didn't actually see them? Then how did he know that the flood was worldwide? He couldn't see that either. People who think they have all the answers usually don't understand the questions.
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arachnophilia Member (Idle past 1374 days) Posts: 9069 From: god's waiting room Joined: |
You guys are guessing, I'm guessing. we're not guessing. there's math and physics behind this. they know, as the result of a formula, the approximate size an asteroid would have to be to cover the earth with debris and dust clouds. we have this formula from other asteroid hits.
You have ideas of what kind of impact they would create but nobody witnessed them to say for sure. actually, there a rather nice one in tunguska, siberia in 1908 that had tons of eyewitnesses. edit: come to think of it, *I* have witnessed asteroids, and i've seen video of an impact. although, granted not on the scale of tunguska... This message has been edited by arachnophilia, 05-23-2005 02:09 PM
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1475 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
The larger ones when impacting one at a time release enough energy to devistate the earth's climate. They effects are world wide. A smaller one hitting water would produce an enormous tsunami. How big would the tsunami's be and how far do the effects reach on uninterrupted ocean? You ASSUME these worldwide effects, you ASSUME devastation of the climate but you are still thinking of a dry land hit and in any case these are just guesses, you don't know. Nobody ever witnessed this. Science has made predictions before and been wrong. So the waves rocked the ark. I don't know how a tsunami would behave without land to crash on. Do you? Or they hit later when the water had receded quite a bit and Noah and family were high and dry on Ararat for the duration. All guesses, but so are yours.
For the big ones I don't think Noah would be far enough away anywhere on Earth. And there will be major impacts every few days. Things were very different before the flood. Whole different kind of climate system. Many things changed during it, were very different after it. It's just hard to know how such a bombardment would affect things during that period. Some assume an enormous amount of volcanic activity during that time too. And tectonic movement.
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arachnophilia Member (Idle past 1374 days) Posts: 9069 From: god's waiting room Joined: |
unless you make up stuff.
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ringo Member (Idle past 443 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Arachnophilia writes:
With effects similar to a nuclear strike. ... there a rather nice one in tunguska, siberia in 1908 that had tons of eyewitnesses. People who think they have all the answers usually don't understand the questions.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1475 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
You guys are guessing, I'm guessing. ====== we're not guessing. there's math and physics behind this. they know, as the result of a formula, the approximate size an asteroid would have to be to cover the earth with debris and dust clouds. we have this formula from other asteroid hits. Well I'm postulating they hit in deep water. That changes the picture of debris and dust clouds, formulae notwithstanding.
You have ideas of what kind of impact they would create but nobody witnessed them to say for sure. ==== actually, there a rather nice one in tunguska, siberia in 1908 that had tons of eyewitnesses. Great. And it absolutely devastated the climate worldwide, right? Covered the whole earth in dust and debris, right? And killed most of the eyewitnesses, right?
edit: come to think of it, *I* have witnessed asteroids, and i've seen video of an impact. although, granted not on the scale of tunguska... So far I haven't heard anything that supports the idea that they would necessarily wreck the atmosphere and kill all living things. Besides which, again, I'm postulating many occurred when the earth was covered by water.
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AdminNosy Administrator Posts: 4754 From: Vancouver, BC, Canada Joined: |
Well but you are guessing too and you don't know how close Noah was to the Kazakhstan hits and you don't know whether the impact was in water or wet earth or whatnot. My guessing is as good as yours I dare say. Faith, you need to remember we are not talking about the little, bitty, tiny dust grain sized rocks that hit earth every year. The little bitty ones of only a few hundred tons are slowed by even the atmosphere. We are talking about those which leave visible impact creators of 100's of meters. You say "wet earth"??????? You have no clue how silly that sounds. Soils are, perhaps, 10's of feet deep. These things vaporize rock to much greater than that depth. Besides where did 'wet earth' come from. I though you said this happened during the flood year? How many did and how many didn't? Remember it is pretty clear that they are NOT all the same age. Perhaps you would put Barringer at post flood? How long ago then? Which others are post flood and which during? You seem to think that if this idea of there being a problem with the impacts is correct then the earth is, in fact, not only a few 1,000's years old? Is that true?
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1475 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
... there a rather nice one in tunguska, siberia in 1908 that had tons of eyewitnesses. ====== With effects similar to a nuclear strike. Tell me about it. How many died in this "nuclear strike?" How great an area was affected by it? How far away was it witnessed/detected? How long did the effects continue?
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arachnophilia Member (Idle past 1374 days) Posts: 9069 From: god's waiting room Joined: |
You ASSUME these worldwide effects, you ASSUME devastation of the climate but you are still thinking of a dry land hit same difference really. these things aren't stopped by the atmosphere. they're barely stopped by the earth. one at least one occasion in the solar system, one was NOT stopped by the body it hit. jupiter has a moon that was completely shattered into pieces, and then re-combined by gravity into a mixed-up spherical form. the evidence also points to the moon being formed by an asteroid impact that broke the planet apart, and ejected super-heated liquid rock into space, which then cooled and formed the egg-shape that is our moon. (the moon is more massive on the side that faces us, which means it had to have been formed from liquid rock) so what makes you think they'll just drop into the water, and it'll absorb the hit, AND still leave marks on the earth?
Or they hit later when the water had receded quite a bit and Noah and family were high and dry on Ararat for the duration. still a global climate problem. these EXTINCTION-CAUSING events.
All guesses, but so are yours. no, not guess. backed by data, and not contradicted.
Whole different kind of climate system. like the vapor-canopy model than ends up cooking everything alive, so we have change the laws of physics?
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