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Author Topic:   Too Many Meteor Strikes in 6k Years
mikehager
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Message 7 of 304 (210583)
05-23-2005 1:09 PM
Reply to: Message 2 by Faith
05-23-2005 3:59 AM


Not 6000 years, 4000.
Wouldn't the impact evidence have to happened after the flood if a young earth were a fact? It seems to me that the deluge that dug the Grand Canyon and all the other things it supposedly did would have erased any impact evidence from the previous 2000 or so years since creation.

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mikehager
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Message 50 of 304 (210655)
05-23-2005 3:15 PM
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05-23-2005 2:01 PM


Re: Not 6000 years, 4000.
There is simply no evidence for a flood as described in Christian mythology. Throwing massive cometary and meteor bombardment into the mix doesn't help.
You have ideas of what kind of impact they would create but nobody witnessed them to say for sure.
Sure we do. it's called physics. The comet weighs a certain amount, it is going at a certain speed (both qualities easily estimable within a range by applying astronomy). That means it's going to hit with calculable force.

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mikehager
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Message 61 of 304 (210688)
05-23-2005 4:27 PM
Reply to: Message 57 by Faith
05-23-2005 4:04 PM


Re: Not 6000 years, 4000.
Wrong on both points.
In this discussion we are taking the flood as a given.
We are not doing anything of the sort, or at least I am not. You are taking the flood as a given, as it seems is standard practice with you. I and others are trying to show you why that idea doesn't work in the real world.
No doubt, but nevertheless the RESULT of the impact, the effect of debris, dust, steam etc., can't be known with all that certainty. There are other variables in the mix that can affect those results.
The effects of such an impact in any possible environmental conditions can be easily extrapolated with existing knowledge. With the largest, it really is utter catastrophe.
The tired old claim that "We didn't see it so we don't know, can't know and can't reasonably assert what happened," is a ridiculous claim. A citizen of Tokyo holds a pencil out in front of there face and opens their hand so that the pencil is unsupported. We can assert that the pencil will fall. If we know the brand of the pencil we can estimate it's weight. If we know how far it falls before impact we can (even if only by estimating the average height of a citizen of Tokyo) how fast it was moving when it hit (within a reasonable range) and with that information we can determine likely effects of that impact on various surfaces. It won't be a whole lot, of course.
No one saw this event except for our Japanese friend (and let's assume he isn't going to talk) so we have no eyewitness information, yet we can make all sorts of good determinations about it.
The same is true with massive cometary impacts, only the numbers are a good deal larger.

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mikehager
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Message 91 of 304 (210770)
05-24-2005 12:36 AM
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05-23-2005 8:29 PM


Re: We are not arguing about the flood
That is not what this thread is about. It is not about the evidence for the flood, it's about whether or not a bombardment of meteors would have the devastating effects predicted in the first post, and the flood is my suggestion why they might not.
In response to all the reasonable posts pointing out the massive amounts of energy in cometary impacts, you propose a few kilometers of water or a few tens of feet of soft mud being sufficient to soften these massive impacts. Oh, and since no one saw it, we can't know anything about it.
Fine. Whatever. I'm done with you in this discussion. It's just to tiring watching you dance in greater and greatye desperation around every fact raised that doesn't immediatley reinforce your preconceptions. Feel free to have the last word.
Mud? Please...

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mikehager
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Message 93 of 304 (210772)
05-24-2005 12:48 AM
Reply to: Message 83 by lfen
05-23-2005 10:44 PM


Re: Not 6000 years, 4000.
I agree with you completely, Yiou are exactly right. faith and her ilk are lost causes to reason. They have their spirits and magic
(praying to a god for intervention is simply a form of magic) and all that. I do not think for a moment the fanatical, YEC believer can be helped by me or this forum.
That isn't why I make my small efforts to rebut theist and YEC misconceptions. As I type this, there are 6 registered members and 18 guests on this page. Of those 18 visitors some may be people, especially young people or students, who are honestly wondering if all the creationist nonesense is really valid. It is they that the real academics and educated laymen (as I flatter myself to be) owe our efforts too.
Sorry for the off-topic post. Admins, don't be too mad.

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