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ringo Member (Idle past 443 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Since you ask, try this: Tunguska event - Wikipedia . It includes some speculative hypotheses, which you may enjoy.
People who think they have all the answers usually don't understand the questions.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1475 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
So is the idea that they are "associated with mass extinctions" an interpretation of data, not fact in itself. ======= there is crater off the yucatan that matches a date for something called the k-t boundary. the boundary is a line in the geological column that exists all over the world, with a high concentration of iridium in it. iridium is not common on earth. the k-t line also marks the end of the reign of the dinosaurs. no dinosaurs are found above k-t. the geological column an be shown to have been laid down sequentially, not all at once, because of angular unconformities. for the life of me, i have never once seen a creationist explain angular unconformities, thus changing the law of superposition. Of course it was laid down sequentially. What's the problem with angular unconformities? Upheaval shifted parts of the column. What's the big deal? As for dinosaurs, you assume the timeline interpretation of the column, but if there was some mechanical explanation for why dinosaurs are only found in certain layers, then the relation of their burial level to meteor impact is not necessarily causal.
so it stands to reason that a big object from space hit the earth, and killed off the dinosaurs. feel free to suggest another way to read the data. Done. edits to correct dumb little errors. This message has been edited by Faith, 05-23-2005 02:43 PM
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1475 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Thank you. Will check it out.
Must take a break. Carry on, gang.
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arachnophilia Member (Idle past 1375 days) Posts: 9069 From: god's waiting room Joined: |
Of course it was laid down sequentially. What's the problem with angular conformities? the problem is that most yec's insist that the entire column was laid down in one event. angular unconformities disprove that. also, if you stack the geological column from permian to cretacious, and divide by 6k years, you get about 20+ feet of rock per yer, on average. and that's not the entire column.
but if there was some mechanical explanation for why dinosaurs are only found in certain layers, like hydrologic sorting? not with angular unconformities. besides, no mechanism other than "god did it to mess with us" has ever been proposed. it also proves, if you can follow logic, that the layers with dinosaurs in them were laid down before the layer without dinosaurs in them. and if the division is based around an asteroid event, it doesn't take a leap of faith to think that the asteroid caused the extinction.
Done. no. not really. you haven't actually demonstrated a familiarity with the data at all. you've just done a few backflips in the mental gymnastics arena, not legitimized it as an olympic sport.
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mikehager Member (Idle past 6497 days) Posts: 534 Joined: |
There is simply no evidence for a flood as described in Christian mythology. Throwing massive cometary and meteor bombardment into the mix doesn't help.
You have ideas of what kind of impact they would create but nobody witnessed them to say for sure. Sure we do. it's called physics. The comet weighs a certain amount, it is going at a certain speed (both qualities easily estimable within a range by applying astronomy). That means it's going to hit with calculable force.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1475 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Of course it was laid down sequentially. What's the problem with angular conformities? ======= the problem is that most yec's insist that the entire column was laid down in one event. angular unconformities disprove that. It was laid down sequentially over SOME period of time DURING that one event that lasted after all a year and who knows how long it took the flood to recede, leaving many layers of stuff one at a time.
also, if you stack the geological column from permian to cretacious, and divide by 6k years, you get about 20+ feet of rock per yer, on average. and that's not the entire column. Sequential doesn't mean it built up on the ridiculous principle of accumulated deposits for each long age of time. A layer was no doubt laid down all at once, and others laid down on top of it separately, after who knows how long a gap, but not years.
but if there was some mechanical explanation for why dinosaurs are only found in certain layers, ===== like hydrologic sorting? not with angular unconformities. besides, no mechanism other than "god did it to mess with us" has ever been proposed. Angular unconformities occur sometime during the process. A bunch of layers are laid down, then a big bubble of magma displaces a block of layers and upends them, a whole nother bunch of layers slide over the uptilted ones, etc etc etc. Most unconformities, however, clearly happened AFTER the whole column was laid down.
it also proves, if you can follow logic, that the layers with dinosaurs in them were laid down before the layer without dinosaurs in them. and if the division is based around an asteroid event, it doesn't take a leap of faith to think that the asteroid caused the extinction. IF the timeline theory is correct it would follow, but if it happened in a much shorter period of time there is no necessary relation. Those layers did not build up slowly and gradually over long aeons, sorry. It makes me laugh just thinking about it.
Done === no. not really. you haven't actually demonstrated a familiarity with the data at all. you've just done a few backflips in the mental gymnastics arena, not legitimized it as an olympic sport. Don't recall claiming such a thing. This started out as "just a thought." It remains "just a thought." But thanks for noting that I can do a decent mental backflip! In an arena in enemy camp surrounded by bloodthirsty evos yet! This message has been edited by Faith, 05-23-2005 03:42 PM This message has been edited by Faith, 05-23-2005 03:44 PM
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Brian Member (Idle past 4990 days) Posts: 4659 From: Scotland Joined: |
ABE by AdminNosy
This is not on the specific topic. Please to not respond Can anyone tell me how the Egyptians were able to miss this world wide Flood? How come we have a continuous record from Egypt from c.3000 BCE right through the Flood period with the flood being in the Middle of the 5th dynasty period? Quality entertainment, you cannot make this stuff up! This message has been edited by AdminNosy, 05-23-2005 03:46 PM
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AdminNosy Administrator Posts: 4754 From: Vancouver, BC, Canada Joined: |
Sorry, Brian, but this is a rather focussed topic.
Please don't stray.
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roxrkool Member (Idle past 1020 days) Posts: 1497 From: Nevada Joined: |
They were unknowlingly living on a continent-sized, floating mat of vegetation?
Oops! Sorry. Won't reply to off-topic posts again. This message has been edited by roxrkool, 05-23-2005 03:47 PM
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Brian Member (Idle past 4990 days) Posts: 4659 From: Scotland Joined: |
No probs Ned.
I thought since we were talkng about a flood 4400 years ago and the devastation caused my these meteors that contradictory evidence would be ON topic. I must have short circuited somewhere. Brian. This message has been edited by Brian, 05-23-2005 03:55 PM
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1475 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Can anyone tell me how the Egyptians were able to miss this world wide Flood? How come we have a continuous record from Egypt from c.3000 BCE right through the Flood period with the flood being in the Middle of the 5th dynasty period? I wouldn't trust secular history myself.
Quality entertainment, you cannot make this stuff up! Sure you can. It's done all the time. The whole evo show is made up, imaginative stitching together of clues they call facts but aren't. A laugh a minute. EDIT: SORRY, ANSWERED BEFORE I SAW THE OFF-TOPIC NOTE. This message has been edited by Faith, 05-23-2005 04:00 PM
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1475 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
There is simply no evidence for a flood as described in Christian mythology. Throwing massive cometary and meteor bombardment into the mix doesn't help. In this discussion we are taking the flood as a given.
You have ideas of what kind of impact they would create but nobody witnessed them to say for sure. ==== Sure we do. it's called physics. The comet weighs a certain amount, it is going at a certain speed (both qualities easily estimable within a range by applying astronomy). That means it's going to hit with calculable force. No doubt, but nevertheless the RESULT of the impact, the effect of debris, dust, steam etc., can't be known with all that certainty. There are other variables in the mix that can affect those results.
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CK Member (Idle past 4158 days) Posts: 3221 Joined: |
But if we take the flood as a given - then there is really nothing to discuss - it's moot. If we want to claim that Noah and his family were not burnt to death then we really need the intervention of God - surely meaning this thread should be over in the faith section (or whatever we call it now).
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1475 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
But if we take the flood as a given - then there is really nothing to discuss - it's moot. No, we're discussing how comets, meteors and meteorites might have affected things if they occurred during a flood which is taken as a given.
If we want to claim that Noah and his family were not burnt to death then we really need the intervention of God - surely meaning this thread should be over in the faith section (or whatever we call it now). I'm happy to move over there. Whatever. This message has been edited by Faith, 05-23-2005 04:13 PM
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Phat Member Posts: 18354 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
Ned, I know this is off-topic, but wnope is not even participating in his own thread!
Ned writes:
You made me think. What if Noahs "flood" was merely a giant tsunami?
The larger ones when impacting one at a time release enough energy to devistate the earth's climate. They effects are world wide. A smaller one hitting water would produce an enormous tsunami. How big would the tsunami's be and how far do the effects reach on uninterrupted ocean? For the big ones I don't think Noah would be far enough away anywhere on Earth. And there will be major impacts every few days.
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