Should those of religious faith be allowed to run this country?

Really. And here we were apparently deceived into thinking it was a reactionary piece of crap crafted to try and stifle any expression of political opinion by the most educated sector of society. Designed also to encourage conservative students to 'rat-out' their professors if they presented any analyses that vaguely criticized the neo-con status quo. Do you not realize this Horowitz creep has actually recommended a 'vetting' process for candidate faculty members at U of CO to ensure that a better 'balance' of political convictions are represented? I am not too distant from this BS, and I can tell you, this guy thinks he is a neo-con Machiavelli. We can only hope he gets a brain tumor soon.(edited for title) EZThis message has been edited by EZscience, 06-07-2005 09:04 PM

Just in case anyone was wondering, here is a little bit more on David Horowitz and the "Academic Bill of Rights" with which CanadianSteve is so enamored.Favorite quote from the article:

Have you READ the "Academic Bill of Rights" or are you just spouting the Leftist propaganda?

Do you think students have the right to dictate curricula to their professors? If so, why do we even have universities if the students already know everything?

READ the Academic Bill of Rights! Show me where it says anything to justify any of the absurd accusations that the Leftist propaganda mill has been regurgitating.Sucuri WebSite Firewall - Access Denied

Well, it starts with a lie within the first sentence so it's pretty hard to get much beyond that. LOL

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion

The Left appears to be SO scared that their habit of politically indoctrinating their students might be taken away from them and they be required to teach the SUBJECT MATTER OF THE COURSE objectively!You think this is just great huh? Mattson is triumphant that a resolution was defeated that Wouldn't want to take away their privilege of wasting their students' tuition money on propagandizing them instead of teaching them what the catalog says they're supposed to teach them, would we?This message has been edited by Faith, 06-07-2005 11:11 PM

Well, here is a statement of the "Academic Bill of Rights".And here is a more detailed comment on an "academic bill of rights".The problem of the "academic bill of rights" is that the determination of what constitutes an appropriately diverse curriculum, and what constitutes political indoctrination is removed from the professional researchers who study the field and instead put into the hands of administrators and legal courts, who do not have the expertise to make this sort of determination.

Oh, what SHOULD it say, Jar? The purpose of a university is to make everybody a Leftist, right?

Have you ever attended a university, Faith? Or are you just swallowing the bilge that is given to you?

As soon as the phrase "Truth" enters you know the speaker is full of shit.

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion

Exactly! The same way medical decisions are taken away from doctors and patients and put into the hands of legislators and HMO execs.

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according to student paper at the university of florida, (the independent florida alligator):

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Students who believe their professor is singling them out for "public ridicule" for instance, when professors use the Socratic method to force students to explain their theories in class would also be given the right to sue.

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"Some professors say, 'Evolution is a fact. I don't want to hear about Intelligent Design (a creationist theory), and if you don't like it, there's the door," [Rep. Dennis] Baxley said, citing one example when he thought a student should sue.

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the socratic method, apparently, is out. so if a student raises a point, and professer gets them to examine it and exposes the idea as wrong, even if purely by asking the student questions, the student can sue.as for what's exactly in the bill that says that? well, i don't know. but it's major proponent sure seems to think it's a wedge for letting his ideologies into the classroom. he makes it sound like it's a hack job on right and wrong, in the interest of "fairness" to ideas.like it or not, not all ideas are right.This message has been edited by arachnophilia, 06-07-2005 11:23 PM

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Bullshit. The bill of rights is modeled on existing student bills of rights that some universities already have. It does not interfere one whit with the subject matter of the course, in fact it is designed to prevent PROFESSORS from interfering with the curriculum. It aims to prevent them from indoctrinating and intimidating their captive audience students with their political and religions OPINIONS when they should be teaching them the field they represent instead. This applies to opinions on ALL sides, left and right, and all religions. And the intention was not to take it to the courts, but the idiotic paranoid misrepresentations of the Left have prompted court cases in some communities.